Attitude towards the gay community
Hello Rabbi
This may be a bit of a provocative question, but I wanted to ask.
How does the rabbi believe that LGBT people should be treated in our day and age, should they be hated and despised (and perhaps even made laws against them) or should they be accommodated?
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Hello Rabbi
Maybe this is a bit of a provocative question, but I wanted to ask, with a slight change from the original question,
How does the Rabbi believe that unvaccinated people should be treated in our time, hated and despised (and perhaps even legislated against) or accommodated?
“The State of Israel is the foundation of the ’ world”
I don't understand how a person who has studied quite a bit of Torah, and even thinks it is divine, can live in peace with the fact that the State of Israel (the state of the Jewish people), which is a positive thing for the Jewish people, allows “gay marriage” something that will surely lead to as much homosexuality as possible (an abominable act) and as much destruction of the normal family unit according to Judaism and Halacha. There is no need to refer me to thick-bellied articles full of unnecessary philosophies that don't really combine the two things.
It simply doesn't work out.
You can't both think that the Torah is divine and say that it's okay for the Jewish state (which we have a natural influence on) to cause as many abominable acts as possible. It's ridiculous.
Of course, one should love people with homosexual sexual orientation, just like one loves any other person.
As is well known among our secular brothers who err, it is generally accepted that married people, and especially those with children, commit fewer acts than single people. Accordingly, on the contrary, gay marriages should be encouraged to save them from many acts. And whoever helps in this, the scripture says, "I will sanctify my relatives and hasten the redemption." And if Israel is worthy, he will be the Messiah soon in our days, Amen.
Alex, you are not at rest.
Definitely enact laws, not against them but for our benefit. But there is no reason to hate or loathe.
To me,
it seems that you live off empty slogans. The State of Israel is full of Sabbath desecrations. What do you think of the throne of the world where Sabbath is desecrated and non-kosher food is sold openly? What bothers you is only LGBTQ? The term “abomination” dedicated to homosexuality does not necessarily express moral abomination (check this term in the Torah and you will find out. And see also Nedarim n).
What all this has to do with the G-dliness of the Torah, I did not get to understand. There is a halakhic obligation and this is what needs to be taken into account. In our country, this is not a factor and should not be a factor. A democratic state should not get involved in the affairs of its citizens. This is what is called freedom of religion and freedom from religion. In your opinion, at the next stage, the majority in the country will be forbidden from praying or visiting graves because it is an obscene act in the eyes of the secular majority. Not to mention funding for religious activities and exemption from conscription and tax discounts for Abrechs, etc., etc.
You should wake up and realize that the State of Israel is not anyone's seat, neither in the world nor outside it, but perhaps in your wild imagination. It is the seat of the public that lives in it, and is supposed to serve it in the best way.
And the fact that such a permit increases sins and destroys the family unit has already been answered as your folly. Do you expect a gay man to marry a straight woman in order not to destroy your magnificent marital unit?
So here, I tried to write an answer without a lot of rambling that bores you. Although it will definitely touch me.
A law in favor of the unvaccinated is necessarily against the unvaccinated
Regarding hatred or disgust – Go out and see quite a few people who have turned those who chose a medical decision different from theirs into enemies and potential murderers
And this is inspired by the donkey who serves as Prime Minister
At least on one thing we agree – The State of Israel is closer to being a throne than the throne of God in the world
A phobic, fascist and intolerant state, where life becomes unbearable by the day
Alex,
As usual, I will not go into the question here, whether you are right or the others are right (although my position is known). My argument is that regardless of that, I will now hold up a mirror before you, and you can examine what they think against what you think, and now go out and see what is between my son and my father-in-law.
Anxiety and hysteria are a natural human phenomenon, especially during a pandemic (or what people think is a pandemic). And it seems to me that you and your friends of opinion are the best example of this matter (although with you, the hysteria is not in a pandemic, because you are hysterical about the results of the vaccines and not about the pandemic). Pay attention to anxiety, and hysteria (the hysterical fear of vaccines, as if there were a terrible danger here) and also to hatred for someone who thinks differently from you and tries to defend themselves against you (in their opinion), which are reflected in your words. This is at least in the strength of all these noble qualities in the people you are going against. And I haven't even talked about the obsession with dealing with this marginal and unimportant issue in all sorts of different and strange threads that are not related to it.
Notice that they are trying to defend themselves against you (in their opinion), and yet, despite thinking differently from you, they allow you to make decisions and even finance the damage that your decisions cause, and minimize the harm to you as much as possible (you can enter all kinds of places under inspection, etc.). You complain about how at the same time they are careful to defend themselves according to their perception. Do you want everyone to adopt your own perception so as not to be considered misanthropists? In your words, you seem to hate them and slander them for not letting you murder them in peace (in their opinion), and at the same time you call them misanthropists and hysterics. The picture I have presented to you shows you that everything you said about them applies to you even more, much more than to others. Maybe you should still try to think about it this time.
And I haven't even mentioned your cheap demagogy as if it's hatred for someone who made a different decision than them. No one cares about the decisions you make, as long as you are the one who bears the consequences of them (i.e., you finance the medical care you need, if you need it, and you don't infect and endanger others). Others have the right to stand up for themselves and defend themselves from dangers they believe exist, just as you have the right to stand up for yourself. If the rights conflict and there is a conflict (zero sum), we have accepted that the majority rules. Simple and clear as a bell.
It is known that anyone who has not injected themselves with a genetic code of Corona (called a vaccine) that produces Corona proteins that are harmful to the body and stimulate the immune system in an emergency, is filthy and disgusting and should not be contacted.
The pure, the members of the pure spiritual race, the obedient and disciplined who do not ask questions and do not make difficulties, those who say do and do, those who have free choice who act of their own free will according to what they are told and presented to them by means of propaganda and the media, those who care and are concerned about public health, those who have the highest morality, decided in their free choice that the unvaccinated should be destroyed and isolated, ostracized and eradicated, from youth to old age, children and women, in one day.
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Response from Limi,
Miki, the goal is to make the country the seat of the world, it's a utopian state. Because of people like you and anti-religious atheists, the country is moving further and further away from that.
I'm not just bothered by LGBTQ people. I also fight against Sabbath desecrations, for example, when possible. For example, not long ago, when Lieberman visited a mall in Ashdod on Saturday and boasted about it, I came out publicly against it. If they try to repeal the "pig law", I and others will come out against it too.
Your attempt to present the opponents of "gay marriage" as if they are people who are only against this issue is
failed, false and evil, and it is demagoguery. Jews are trying to fight as much as possible against everything that is far from Judaism and G-d in this country.
Homosexuality is a severe and clear Torah prohibition. Whether the abomination (negative thing) is moral or otherwise, it doesn't matter at all. It is a severe prohibition. And you also agree (I bet) that the connotation is negative.
I am not against homosexuality because the majority is against it. I have no idea how you concluded that.
I am against homosexuality because it is a severe Torah prohibition, and also because I want a state and all of Israel to be as
close to their Father in Heaven as possible. Homosexual marriage distances that from us.
Regarding homosexual marriage –
Any homosexual who has the possibility of living, and perhaps even being attracted to, a woman, and producing viable sperm, can
do that. In fact, there are quite a few stories known about such people (not bisexuals, but
homosexuals who are not disgusted by women).
Regarding homosexuals who are disgusted by women and really can't have a family and viable seed (this is a really negligible number of all homosexuals in my opinion) –
You can try treatments (of course, be careful about this), and if that doesn't work either, you can fill the void in their soul with other things –
For example, studying Torah, being a careerist, contributing to the people, etc. You are welcome to listen to a lesson on the subject by Rabbi Shreki at the Yedaya Institute, a 3-minute segment.
In any case, what you are doing is very puzzling –
Instead of answering the question I asked (how can a person who studies Torah and believes in its God support something
that will certainly increase male sexual intercourse) you are like “putting the ball back in my court”.
I will answer you anyway –
It is better that a small number of people do not marry, than to enact a law here that will make it even more
legitimize halakhically invalid ”families”, and even more legitimize homosexuality.
So true, those who do not marry will probably still sin by homosexuality (maybe less), but if they do not allow ”gay marriage” this will certainly give less legitimacy to the rest of the people to develop such tendencies or to indulge in them if they exist in them.
And now I will ask again:
How can a person who believes in the God of the Torah support something that will cause something that the Torah clearly prohibits?
Enough with the hypocrisy!
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Several comments
1. You wrote: “The obsession with dealing with this marginal and unimportant issue” – I think there has been no more important issue in recent years, and not from the medical aspect but from the civil aspect
Are we a country that respects human rights or a fascist country? It is a great wonder to me how you ignore the weighty questions and casually dismiss the issue (and in general – you do not even examine the positions of other doctors and scientists who have a different opinion but dismiss them with strange disdain)
2. Why do you assume that my opposition (I do not know what you are – I speak for myself) is due to anxiety and hysteria? I testify for myself (and so will everyone who knows me) that I am not afraid of either the disease or the vaccine, in my opinion this is the flu with public relations. And true to my method – I don't put the rag on my face (both because it makes no sense and because I don't accept the act of obedience) and I haven't avoided mass events, including crowded demonstrations, for a year and a half. In short, I don't get vaccinated because I don't see it as necessary (an experimental scenario against a flu-like disease), not because of anxiety or hysteria.
3. I don't hate those who get vaccinated (except for the lie-mongers like Benito and his band of cheerleaders) but rather I pity them. I simply expect them as adults to rise above the anxieties that govern them and not to violate the human and civil rights of those who, in their most impudence, disagree with the medical position they believe in!! And in this, “excellent” Our fascist state allows forceful and violent measures such as layoffs and extraordinary restrictions to the point of talking about preventing medical treatment by a certain doctor (who belongs more to the 1940s in Germany)
I wrote a longer comment but deleted it – because in your eyes this is a “marginal and unimportant” issue so what a waste of our time…
Anyone who accepts a bribe from the state should not be listened to at all in matters concerning governmental interests:
For a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and perverts the words of the righteous.
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