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Authority and decision-making in matters of thought

שו”תCategory: philosophyAuthority and decision-making in matters of thought
asked 6 years ago

1. Your words about there being no authority in matters of thought (since they are a fact and not a norm) do indeed seem most appropriate (and even necessary). Indeed, many of Israel’s great men believed this, and I tried to at least find an explanation for this. I have raised 2 possibilities (with questions), and I would be happy to hear your thoughts:
A. God, the Blessed One, changes His leadership and creation according to the halakhah that is established in our world. That is, God, the Blessed One, wanted us to decide on these issues and He will change the face of things according to our words. Accordingly (regarding His leadership), the opinion that we decide on the question of whether there is a Messiah for Israel is the one that will become correct. First, this does not sound reasonable at all and therefore requires proof. Second, in the Sanhedrin section, which is the sole halakhic authority, it is explicitly mentioned in which matters the Sanhedrin is approached: “If a matter is too great for you to judge between blood and blood, between case and case, and between us to deal with matters of dispute in your courts” (Deuteronomy 17:8). It should be noted, however, that in Jerusalemite the word “davar” is interpreted as the words of a legend.
on. Because we are dealing with extremely complex issues, there is a concern that the public will largely arrive at incorrect understandings, which are problematic both in themselves and in terms of the division of hearts and the disputes they cause. Therefore, God, the Holy One, has determined that it is incumbent upon the public to think that what is correct is what the majority of the sages of Israel think, for example, even though it may be an error in the perception of God’s leadership or creation. At least statistically, this is what the majority will think correctly. Admittedly, this renewed perception requires proof. It is also not reasonable: it is extremely puzzling to think that God, the Holy One, would command us to deny the facts.
2. Another thing, assuming that there is no authority in matters of fact, what about authority in matters of fact that concern the act? For example, some claim that it is forbidden to ascend the Temple Mount for ideological reasons. Let’s say they were to bring evidence from an authorized body (Gemara), is it obligatory to listen to them? Another example, if we bring evidence from the Gemara that according to the Tannaim we are at the beginning of redemption, and this requires certain actions, are we obligated to do so by virtue of authority even if we do not believe that this is the beginning of redemption? And so it is with matters of fact that concern the act, not just the explanation (such as the issue of fulfillment).


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
A. Completely improbable. Furthermore, even if it were true, how does anyone know that it is so? And the words of the Shach regarding the three-year-old virgin returning are known, which he wrote as you said, but this is of course unfounded and unnecessary in any way. on. It doesn’t help anything, because you can’t command someone to think what they don’t think. At most, you can say that we were commanded to mislead the fools who think there is a law in matters of fact. 2. In matters that concern fact, there can be authority. The Sanhedrin can determine that it is permissible to kill a lice on Shabbat even though you think it is forbidden. It does not tell you what to think, but what to do. Although in a case like the lice, it is more likely that they said it because that is what they thought, and since it is quite clear that they were wrong, it has no halachic validity. All the matters of initiation and all this are of course pure nonsense. No one can know this (and even the interpretation of these concepts, in my opinion, is not clear to anyone), and today there is no body that has authority even in the areas of halachic law, and therefore certainly cannot impose its opinion in areas of thought even if they concern fact.

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ראב"ד replied 6 years ago

The example of the beginning of redemption was not principled. In any case, I understood from your words that indeed in matters of thought that concern the fact there is authority.
Just for the sake of clarifying my understanding, what about the example of the Temple Mount? If they were to bring a thought-based argument against the ascension (for example, that it is not the right time and also somehow harms holiness) from an authoritative body (which is of course not the case), would we be obligated to do so by virtue of the authority? On the one hand, this is a matter of legend, on the other hand, it concerns the fact.

Also, what is the reasoning for this?

It seems possible to suggest that every halakha is embedded to some extent or another in its determination or interpretation of some view, and therefore a halakha based entirely on legend should not be any different.

Thank you very much for the response!

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

What is the question? I answered that. If there were a Sanhedrin today that would determine that it is forbidden to ascend the Temple Mount (and its considerations would be intellectual or otherwise), it would be forbidden. We would not have to accept the considerations, but we would have to accept the conclusion. In order to deviate from their teaching, the conditions of violating the mitzvah of listening to the words of the sages must be met. I think that is unlikely to happen here.

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