Bar Kamtza, published by the Rabbi Center?

It is known that the rabbi does not like them, but that does not justify ignoring reality to the point of fantasies. If the ‘Center’ were so esoteric, the whole world would not have been talking about its decision for so long. Even Bennett himself, who, as is known, was not considered a big fan even when he was right-wing, was pressured to hold and publicize an event (in a truly esoteric place) like Midreshet Lindelbaum as a counter-event.

In Tel Aviv, Bar-Kamza had no complaints if he was not invited to the banquet, after all, a person has the right not to invite someone he is not in love with to his private event. The problem was that he was indeed invited by the host's emissary, and even if there was a mistake on the part of the emissary - then his expulsion from the banquet is contemptible, what more was he willing to pay. But not to invite at all - what's the problem?

And the harsh stance of the head of the Merkaz HaRav yeshiva, Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda, ztsl, against the Rabin government (the first) which was founded as a minority government that relied on the votes of Arab Knesset members is well known. There was no talk there about Arab membership in the coalition, but about ‘support from outside’, and yet the speaker referred very harshly to this government, saying ‘we do not have a government’, so Rabbi Yaakov Shapira is loyal to the principle established by the speaker.

Moreover, Bennett acted as if he had already found a way, and in order to take revenge on Netanyahu for not inviting him to the government – he transferred power to the aspirants of the Palestinian state, to whom he gave the positions of Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Defense and Minister of Internal Security, and his government is fighting the yeshiva members and the Chief Rabbinate, the creation and torture of Rabbi Kook, and is fighting for the division of the country against which he fought with all his rabbinical forces. Should the Yeshiva that they founded turn the other cheek to Mr. Bennett?

Best regards, L.A. Perair

One of our problems is that most of the public are Amartzim, and for them a person in a long black suit is a rabbi and others are not really. The image of the yeshiva and its history in connection with Rav Kook have given it a name as if it is some kind of magnificent institution and it builds itself up. Public figures do not examine it for what it is really worth and how much influence it really has, but rather follow its image. But in truth, it is a small sect with no real influence. Even the Baalbatim and Rav Kook's followers, who out of inertia treat it with respect, are not really filled with their nonsense.

From the speaker's strong opposition to the first Rabin government, which was a "minority government" that relied on Arab votes, MK Smotrich learned to rule out the establishment of a government that relied on Arab votes, even if it was headed by the right.

Rabbi Tao, who was aware of the precedent set by the speaker, initially opposed the idea of a right-wing government that relied on Arabs, defining it as "blasphemy," but withdrew his opposition because the alternative, a left-wing government that also relies on Arabs and strives to divide the country and separate religion and state, was much worse.

I wanted to divide and say that the Netanyahu government that relies on Arabs is not a "minority government." Since the majority of the Jewish electorate supports it, but MK Smotrich and his colleagues did not accept these arguments and stuck to the precedent of the speaker without a "conservative midrash" 🙂

With greetings, L.P. Halevi

As a staunch follower of that ridiculous sect, I would love to know whether Rabin, during his first government, was invited to the Rabbinical Center on Jerusalem Day? I honestly don't know.

https://www.makorrishon.co.il/nrg/online/11/ART2/694/922.html

One who did not attend the rallies at the yeshiva was the Chief of Staff of the Six-Day War, Yitzhak Rabin. Even as prime minister, he avoided participating in the annual event. Eisman believes that this was due to his personality: “These events did not suit Rabin. He was much more modest and much more shy than others. He had contact with the yeshiva rabbis over the years, but appearing inside the yeshiva did not suit him”.

Steiner presents the relationship between Rabin and the Rabbinical Center in a less positive light. “During Rabbi Zvi Yehuda's time, it was not unusual for prime ministers to come to him from time to time. Begin would meet with him a lot, and he also had a good rapport with Peres. But Rabin was never with him. It didn't work out with him”.

Rabin's absence from the 1974 rally, shortly after he was chosen by his party to succeed Golda, was not very surprising. At that time, Rabin declared that he would not mind visiting Gush Etzion on a tourist visa, and Rabbi Zvi Yehuda reacted sharply to this. "Let whoever said such things know that the people of Israel care and do care. They will divide the Land of Israel over our bodies," said the Rosh Yeshiva on Independence Day that year.

Rabin made sure to be absent, meaning he was invited and did not come.

Both Rabbi Tau and Rabbi Aviner, and unlike Chalah, Rabbi Kanievsky, announced the establishment of a government with the Arabs. (The first 2 and other rabbis, apparently in a letter)
Only that this was offered to a person accused of bribery, fraud, and breach of trust, and not to a Jew who observes Torah and commandments.
We also learned from the students of the Harat that this is not really a sacred principle and that when necessary, it is fine.

Rabin who decided not to come even though he was not invited is not an insult at all.
Saks is an event for the national religious and not for all of Israel.
But the flesh of the flesh of the datli who is not invited is an insult on their part towards him.
And it is a shame that Rabbi Kook's Beit Midrash will be the acronym for Kamtza and Bar Kamtza

On 28 Iyar 1974

For the sake of historical discussion. Rabin formed his minority government (about which the speaker expressed: 'We have no government') on 3 Sivan 1974 (3/6/74). Therefore, there was no reason not to invite Rabin on Jerusalem Day 1974, two weeks before! Rabin himself avoided coming to the rally for his own reasons, perhaps as a signal to the speaker and the Arabs who were to be his partners in the 'minority government'.

Greetings, Edmon Akaviah Lichtman-Lederer Hameiri

It is worth noting that Rabin headed the largest faction in the Knesset (54 seats) and did not hide his leftist position before the formation of the government and openly declared that he did not care about coming to Gush Etzion with a tourist visa). Rabin was a leftist but honest.

In contrast, Mr. Bennett is a representative of a small faction of 7 MKs, who deceived his own voters by promising not to support a government led by the left. His strategic advisor testified about Bennett during the election period, that he would be ‘fine’ and would see ‘things that are seen from there’ as Sharon did. Long live the abysmal difference.

Last year, before he declared his friendship with Lapid, Bennett was invited to the Jerusalem Day rally and refused to attend. So even without his questionable behavior, why invite someone who doesn't want to attend?

However, the yeshiva showed sensitivity and refused to invite Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of the opposition. They decided that this year there would be no political figure at the event, and settled for the president and the mayor.

With greetings, Aela

And in general, bothering the religious prime minister to arrive on Shabbat night from his official residence in Ra'anana? With all due respect to the yeshiva, this is not Putin 🙂 Also in terms of security, a visit by a prime minister on Shabbat could involve serious desecration of Shabbat.

I thought of a yeshiva with the light of Rabbi Kook
I thought of a place where a reserve of spiritual shepherds for the people of Israel is raised.
I thought of a place that sees and knows complexity, that sees and knows the whole of Israel, and from this and that, puts together a T”C…
I thought…

Now it seems more like a collection of young people in the Smotrich’-Ben Gvir area and other petty things.
Ah…
Really weak.

Not worth discussing
And maybe a really serious and busy man who knows what he is really dealing with, doesn't need to take his time for a branch of a narrow, sectoral, and probably also a bit petty political party.

As the article "Bennett's Advisor: About to Change Like Ariel Sharon" quotes George Birnbaum, who was the strategic advisor to "Yamina" in the last elections, who said in an interview with the American press that Bennett "will change like Ariel Sharon." And the faithful "signed" to testify to his "smear" 🙂

However, the heads of the Merkaz HaRav yeshiva did a good job, refraining from a personal insult to Bennett, but instead decided to invite political leaders this year - neither the prime minister nor the leader of the opposition - and settled for the head of state and the mayor, who represented the state side.

Greetings, Edmon Akaviah Lichtman-Lederer HaMeiri

It seems that Rabbi Yaakov Shapira is following his method of almost completely avoiding expressing a position on public and political issues. If his predecessors – the lecturer and the ger” Shapira – could simultaneously voice harsh public criticism of the country's leaders, and at the same time respectfully invite them to an event at the yeshiva – Rabbi Yaakov Shapira apparently prefers not to come out into the public domain, and to maintain ‘wireless silence’ 🙂 By the way, at his age – the early seventies – the lecturer and the ger” Shapira did not make their voices heard in public either…

On Jerusalem Day 2012

Above I described what I hypothesize is the policy of the ‘Mercaz HaRav’ Yeshiva’ to avoid inviting Bennett, but not to do so ostentatiously. I am almost certain that the public announcement of the non-invitation was made by someone close enough to the management to know about the intention not to invite him, and published it in order to put pressure on the yeshiva to invite him.

My personal opinion is that inviting him to sit at the ’presidential table’ is inappropriate, but there is no reason for the ’Yeshiva’ to invite him at his &#8217natural size’, as the leader of a small faction on the order of Smotrich’. This is what I did about two years ago when the annual memorial service for the late Rabbi Nissim, zt”hal, was dedicated to the issue of conversion in Israel, and I was asked to send invitations to various individuals who were involved in the issue and were supposed to be interested in it.

So I sent invitations to the seminar to the ministers of justice, religious services, education, diaspora, absorption and the interior, whose areas of responsibility include the issue of conversion, to the heads of the religious parties - MKs Bennett, Smotrich, Deri and Gafni, and MKs Elazar Stern and Benjamin Netanyahu, who were involved in discussions on conversion in the past.

I also sent invitations to several dozen rabbis and yeshivot heads, ulpanim and conversion judges, jurists and scholars of Jewish law, and activists of the Commonwealth of Nations immigrants such as Sharansky, Edelstein, etc. - Who, by virtue of their occupation, may attend the conference or watch it on Zoom.

It was clear to me that Bennett would not respond to such an invitation that arrived in an envelope in the Knesset mail, and without coordination with the office, and would understand that the invitation was sent only out of politeness, and indeed he responded politely, someone from his office called the office and informed the director in an apologetic tone that he would be unable to attend. I breathed a sigh of relief :).

It is clear that what can be done at an event of an unpopular institution – cannot be done at a major event of the central meeting of religious Zionism. There, the polite choice was to invite both Bennett and Netanyahu to the ’presidential table’, or not to invite either one or the other.

Best regards, Admon Akaviah Lichtman-Lederer HaMeiri

On the other hand, Bennett should be commended for insisting that the 'dancing of the flags' continue this year as usual, despite the cries of some of his coalition partners that the raising of Israeli flags in Jerusalem is a 'provocation'. However, he was quick to say that it would have been better if he had not included them as ministers in the government.

With greetings, A'la

The Havo Yeshiva is fine, but what did Merkaz do that you write about: “To be honest, it's a small sect with no real influence. Even the Baalbatim and the Hasidim of Rav Kook, who out of inertia treat it with respect, are not really bothered by their nonsense.”
Why are they a sect? What do you mean by their nonsense? Is there something specific against Merkaz or something they did? Overall, it's a serious yeshiva. From what I understand, it's also becoming more Haredi over the years, I don't understand what provoked your anger.

Nothing has angered me. I am not angry. The megalomania of the “World Central Yeshiva” amuses me. The feeling that they are the world center is a kind of cult. Indeed, less so than the line yeshiva.

Now it is clear why only President Herzog was invited to the Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva. Since this is a ‘sect’ – only President Herzog was invited, whose brother Mike studied at the Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva. About this ‘sect’ it will be said: ‘Rina's cult is full of lies’ 🙂

With greetings, MK Tri”s ק