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Ben Gvir the man

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asked 9 months ago

What do you think about Ben Gvir’s decision not to vote with the coalition?

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מיכי Staff answered 9 months ago

I have no opinion and I have no information on the matter. I am very happy about any possibility that the coalition will fall, of course.

אליהו replied 9 months ago

I'm curious, is your hope that the government will fall responsible? Maybe the lesser evil is that there will at least be a government and we won't have to go to elections every other day? After all, even if the other side wins, half the people will want it to fall immediately. Is it responsible to hope for that? Maybe it's better to let those who are elected do the job (even if it's far from perfect) for the four years they were given?

מיכי Staff replied 9 months ago

The horrors that this government has inflicted on us are not worth enduring for even a single moment longer. The desire not to change and the fear of chaos perpetuate the catastrophic situation we find ourselves in.

ר' יחיא זצ"ל replied 9 months ago

The Rabbi is right, the previous government (or the next one according to the polls) is preferable, in which we would have both seized the disaster and surrendered to Hamas' demands two days later, with all that this implies.

ל replied 9 months ago

There is a high chance that there would have been no 7.10, so there would have been no one to surrender.
It is clear that 7.10 was also caused by the situation in the country, the internal rift and the situation on the many fronts because of this. Furthermore, it is possible that it could have been avoided because the attention to what was happening there was higher. Just as Lapid/Lieberman/Gottlieb spoke about the situation in Gaza just a few weeks before the massacre…

It is also possible that the war would have ended long before with a governing alternative to Hamas and not dragged on forever

דוד ש. replied 9 months ago

L,
We will probably agree about the coalition.
But it is ridiculous and stupid to claim that there is a ”high chance” that 7.10 would not have happened.
And your wish about ending the war is also baseless, detached and strange. What alternative government is Lapid hiding in his bag? Let him share it with us, it's time for Team Play.

ל replied 9 months ago

Lapid is not hiding anything, the Palestinian Authority. Bibi is in trouble because he is unable to get the Authority out of his mouth due to coalition considerations (and therefore prolongs the war forever).
Ridiculous in your opinion, in my opinion it is not at all ridiculous. Our resilience was different and the attention to security problems was different. This is a terrible government that was preoccupied with dividing the people and not really with security and the economy.

דוד ש. replied 9 months ago

Regarding the PA, now I understand what you mean. We just don't agree on that. In my opinion, bringing Gaza to the PA is the same as bringing Gaza to the Namibian government. The whole is not greater than the sum of its parts – Gaza is Gaza, you can't change the title of the government and close the story. By ”alternative government” I thought you meant something that would actually work.

Regarding 7.10, I admit that you are right. Maybe there wasn't 7.10, there was 8.11 or whatnot.
Politics blinds you in a laughable way. It is completely disconnected from reality. I don't even know where to begin to attack the claim. By blaming the IDF for the vast majority of the failure? By noting Hamas' success in keeping the attack a secret? (The signs and warnings that are being talked about now are the wisdom of hindsight) By noting the hours when the prime minister first received updates? To talk about our lack of knowledge about the potential conduct of Lapid or Gantz, etc. if they were in power? To point out that Hamas had been planning the attack in secret for many years and that the split you mentioned was at most a trigger? (I also have great doubts about the trigger. Beyond moral statements, it doesn't seem like Hamas really changed anything in the timing. There was a lot of symbolism and strategy in the timing) I could go on and on. This is a rip-off at an extreme level.

I agree that this is a horrible coalition. But I keep seeing extreme claims that spoil the real criticism. What a shame. B.I.B.ists hear you and giggle about the "leftists" who are blinded by hatred.

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