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Cause and effect in changing times

שו”תCategory: Talmudic studyCause and effect in changing times
asked 5 months ago

We found in several studies that there is a possibility that the cause will occur after the cause (in the whole concept of retroactivity and many other issues), and it is customary to say that a cause must occur before the cause (I am not talking about theoretical precedence in which the scholars of Halacha study bother to establish that the causes precede their causes, but rather about temporal precedence).


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מיכי Staff answered 5 months ago
I expanded on this in the fourth book in the Talmudic Logic series. If you do not assume an ontological basis for the law, there is no problem. The causal relationship is a mere definition and does not describe anything in reality. If it is indeed ontical, then a problem arises. See columns 32-33 on a logical definition for time regression, and at least in legal reality it may be possible.

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מיכי Staff replied 5 months ago

A retroactive citation is not reverse causation. Even from here to here it is not clear whether this is reverse causation, and this must be discussed in the laws of conditionality and choice. Everything is detailed there.

יהונתן ששון replied 5 months ago

My intuition from my years in the yeshiva is that we do assume some kind of halachic meta-reality (whether in impurity, or in other types of vegetables) and in fact even if it is not an ontic reality, after all how things work in the ideal world of halachic law.
. There is a classic investigation in the yivamos (seen right in the first ones) whether the yivam is what creates the connection between the yivam and its yivam before the yivam (the other side is irrelevant), how is it possible that a late yivam creates an early connection.
On second thought, it can be said that the creator of the connection is not the yivam in practice, but in power and it preceded the connection.

מיכי Staff replied 5 months ago

It is clear that the obligation to perform does not create a relationship. We are talking about the obligation to perform that exists in principle.

יהונתן ששון replied 5 months ago

May the Lord grant him a great reward, a great rabbi, after me, I lectured in the Treasury of Wisdom, Rabbi Amiel himself speaks of this “in the cause and the cause” itself, and he understands that the universe itself is the cause, and goes on to say that there is no problem with temporal precedence.
Regarding the first issue, isn't it simple for the Rabbi that the Halacha assumes a halachic metaphysical reality?

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