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asked 4 years ago

Hello Rabbi, if someone wants to give away their old clothes to those in need but they are not modest, is this forbidden? (Short shirts and skirts).
 
On the one hand, I can say that the girls will use this for modest use (adding a garment over it), on the other hand, maybe a helpful fence belongs here?
Or is a helpful fence irrelevant when there is a poor girl standing opposite who is ashamed of her clothes and it is better for her to walk in a slightly immodest manner, provided she is not ashamed?
 


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מיכי Staff answered 4 years ago
I feel that if it can be worn modestly then it’s not her concern. Whatever the recipient decides is what she will do.

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בן replied 4 years ago

And if it is impossible to wear it modestly, are we saying that it is better for someone who already walks immodestly to be ashamed of her clothes just because we did not want to help commit an offense?

מיכי replied 4 years ago

If you can't, then no. Would you donate pork to a poor person?

בן replied 4 years ago

This is not the correct analogy in my opinion. The correct analogy is would you donate pork to a poor person who already eats pork…

Moreover (maybe I'm wrong) meat is a Torah prohibition and the ramifications of the obligation of modesty are only rabbinical, so perhaps there is more room for leniency when standing in front of a poor, ashamed person.

מיכי Staff replied 4 years ago

Modesty is an obligation/prohibition of the Torah.
Indeed, I was talking about a poor person who occasionally eats pork. There is no permission to give him pork as charity.

בן replied 4 years ago

Okay. Thank you very much.

קוקי replied 4 years ago

Why should a woman modestly observe the Torah? Because she is blind before the Torah or because of something else?
Morning Light

מיכי replied 4 years ago

https://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/1830

קוקי replied 4 years ago

According to this response, the rabbi is probably truly an educator.

מודה ועוזב ? replied 4 years ago

An article by Shnarb that there is no modesty. Have we forgotten the great Rabbi? Has the Rabbi changed his mind?

מיכי replied 4 years ago

There is no such article, and as far as I remember, I never wrote that I agree with what was written there.

בן replied 4 years ago

Hello again, Rabbi,
I saw in Tractate Shabbat 3a that he wrote that the Gemara established the law of the helper only in the Hebrews of Danahar, and here there is only a prohibition of the rabbis alone.

So, if we are talking about girls who will not behave modestly anyway (= a monk who will drink anyway), if I give them the clothes, I will only violate the rabbis. On the other hand, if I throw the clothes in the trash, I will violate the Torah, because these are good clothes and Tequilin!
And why did they say, I am a rabbi and I reject the Torah? I wonder.

בן replied 4 years ago

From the Torah, the meaning is the prohibition: "Do not corrupt."

מיכי Staff replied 4 years ago

This is not a Toss. This is a division that the Gemara itself says in 6:2. The innovation of Toss (and other rishonim) is that there is a rabbinical prohibition even in the Hadith of Ibra Danhara.
Throwing immodest clothes in the trash is not a bil tashachit. It is a mitzvah to destroy them. Why shouldn't you eat chicken in milk because of a bil tashachit? And so on for any prohibition of eating or enjoying food from the rabbis.

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