Charity for Israel
The thousands of dead in Gaza may not be our fault, because Hamas uses them as human shields and there is no choice, etc., but what is the justification for our continued existence here if it requires such a moral price of mass harm to innocent people? There are safer places for Jews in the world, so why continue to insist on our right to a nation-state in this land? And if there is such a justification – is it necessarily religious?
I’ve never understood this ridiculous self-righteousness. We want to sit here. We have murderous neighbors who like to commit suicide and murder their friends. So that’s why we’re supposed to get out of here? I kill anyone who threatens me. That’s all. It has nothing to do with religion or religiosity. The same is true for Belgians in Belgium.
What do you mean, ‘We want to sit here’, just because we feel like it??
Obviously they will interpret this as a foreign occupation, and as such it should be treated aggressively
If someone enters your house, just because they want to, and refuses to leave, you will not use all means against them
Maybe they like to murder, but you give them a good reason to believe so
This is a logical answer for someone who was born here and is only protecting himself and his relatives without historical calculations. But what about those who created this reality in the first place - if, theoretically, the founders of the state knew for sure that the price of its existence here would involve endless wars and the conquest of a foreign people, would their choice to do so in order to fulfill their right to self-determination instead of living peacefully in the United States, for example, be morally justified?
The founders of the country are already dead.
In B”D B’ Bab P”D
To Bezalel – Hello,
We tried to be accepted as citizens with equal rights in enlightened Europe. It ended in the Holocaust. We were persecuted in Islamic countries. We are not wanted in Africa and Asia. And anti-Semitism has begun to increase in America as well. Maybe we should try Antarctica? They will demand the rights of penguins there too 🙂
We have no other country…
Best regards, Fish”L
I explained what I had to explain. We came here and acquired land legally. There was no other government here. They decided to kill and fight and they must bear the consequences. I don't see the slightest bit of a problem in this. And anyone who does is simply crooked.
According to the rabbi's explanation, the conclusion is that Lachlan and Lehi had no justification for their activities against the British.
This discussion is getting more and more absurd. So I'll stop here.
I would be happy for even one word that would explain the framing of the discussion as ’illusionary’
I think that many people, as individuals, are looking for a reason – that is not religious or religious – to continue living here instead of moving to safer places
Not because of the humanistic righteousness that opened the discussion, but why make such an effort and risk it, for what?
The explanation given is perhaps a bit too simplistic
This is a completely different question. The previous questions were about morality and are delusional. I don't see any need to explain such simple things.
The reason is that I feel like living here. If you don't feel like living here, then there is no reason to live here. That's all.
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