Chief Rabbinate
I understand that many people are disgusted by this institution due to the wave of nepotism, corruption, and lack of representation of parts of the public in this institution, but I still don’t understand what’s so urgent about getting married outside the rabbinate according to the law of Moses and Israel. After all, at the end of the day, there will be some rabbi at the wedding, so it’s true that it may be from a corrupt body, but why is it worth the alternative of not being recognized as married in the country? And another thing, if the Minister of Finance turns out to be corrupt, no one will think of evading taxes just because the ministry or the government is a little corrupt, so why is it such a personal matter whether the rabbi is from the rabbinate or from outside?
I didn’t understand why you should get married in the rabbinate? If you’re talking about an interest or a difficulty, there is a duty to protest and take action aimed at undermining this disgusting institution in the face of an interest. And it is appropriate to act according to values.
What’s more, today there are ways to register even if you were not married through them.
I’ll leave the discussion about the bizarre comparison to the Minister of Finance to you. I’m sure you’ll succeed on your own.
What is it, why yes? For the same reason that a license is issued through the Licensing Office: it is the government authority unit that is responsible for it. It is also possible to issue a European license and request its recognition in Israel (at least for shipping licenses, this is possible), but there is no reason to do this in general. It is simply a government body like any other. I have not heard of people conducting internal audits of government bodies before using their services.
Do you really not understand the difference? I find it hard to believe. A license that is not obtained through the licensing office endangers others. A wedding through the rabbinate is about providing jobs for the Deri and Yosef families. That's all.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no obligation to marry through them even if it were a body that is run with great honor. But the way it is run now, there is a positive interest in not marrying through it.
I was talking about a completely legal license, not something that endangers people (I gave an example from the shipping world, where licenses issued in Europe are recognized in Israel).
If there is a halakhic obligation, that is a separate question. What I am arguing is that this attention is unnecessary. A person wants to get married in Israel, then he goes to a place that handles it. Anyone who wants to be a CPA goes to the CPA Council and takes exams, he does not check first whether they are conducted properly and whether it is possible to issue a license in Cyprus and work here.
There's just one problem. The place that handles this doesn't handle what you want but forces you to do things it wants without justification.
If I come to the conclusion that the licensing office is making a profit on me for the benefit of this or that crime family, dictating things to me against my conscience, and I have an alternative way to get a license, I will definitely do it.
And by the way, I wasn't talking about a halakhic obligation, but a legal and moral one. Halakhically, these corrupt people certainly have no standing.
And by the way, I wasn't talking about halachic protection, but legal and moral. Halachically, these corrupt people certainly have no standing.
What is this, "Halachically, these corrupt people have no standing?" All wedding and kiddushin arrangers employed by the rabbinate, both Haredim and srogim, are corrupt? Also, since when is the accusation of corruption a reason to disqualify rabbinical ordination?
Well, I probably need a short lesson in reading comprehension. First, just because I called them corrupt doesn't mean that they don't have authority because of that. I explained things clearly above if you had bothered to read before you responded. Second, the corrupt are the Chief Rabbinate as an institution. That doesn't mean that every person there is corrupt. And third, I wrote that the Chief Rabbinate as an institution has no halakhic authority in any sense whatsoever. It is a bureaucratic institution of the state. That doesn't mean that the kiddushin conducted through it and by its people are not valid. It means that halakhically you don't have to follow it.
Even when you are offended and angry, it is worth reading first, thinking, and then responding.
Let's take this argument: "If I come to the conclusion that the Licensing Office is making a profit on me for the benefit of this or that crime family, dictating things to me against my conscience, and I have an alternative way to obtain a license, I will definitely do it." How do we know that the Chief Rabbinate is making a profit on us and pouring money into the Deri and Yosef families? I certainly agree with the claim that there is nepotism in the Rabbinate (not necessarily in the direction of the extended Yosef family, but from a general trend of appointing relatives and associates), but still, as long as it is a bureaucratic body, it transfers its money to the state treasury.
So here's another complement to the previous lesson: When you appoint people close to this body who receive fat salaries from the state treasury, and when they are involved in promoting the family's kashrut organization and party, it means that our money is being used for the benefit of crime families. There's no need to embezzle for that (although I wouldn't rule out more blatant embezzlement).
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