Choosing a seat

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asked 3 years ago

Hello,
Next year in Azaz I’m going to study in a yeshiva. Now I’m basically debating between Ma’ale Adumim and the Rabbinical Center, and in the end I personally lean more towards the Center, simply because I felt there was much more push to study there and a powerful Beit Midrash. In addition, there are mature young men and many avrechims, talmidei Torah scholars, which adds to the Beit Midrash. Overall, I felt that it was a better place in terms of study. I came across your words that you think the Center is a cult and you wrote that it was because of the megalomania of a global central yeshiva and that in fact it is a yeshiva that is cloistered and irrelevant. And that somewhat upsets me as someone who values what you write. Why do you disparage the Center? From what I also understood from other people, it is one of the two best yeshivahs in religious Zionism in terms of study (Har HaMor is the second). In short, I wanted to know what your objection is to the Center? (What’s more, as far as I understand, Yeruham has good relations with the Center and you were the head of Yeruham)
Thanks in advance,

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מיכי Staff answered 3 years ago

Hello. Regarding Har HaMor, it is truly a cult, even though academically they do study in a good school. I would be wary of them. Regarding Merkaz HaRav, this is less true. Their principled view of their global centrality is ridiculous megalomania, but their daily conduct and their worship of God are not sectarian. It is a good Haredi yeshiva where you study at a good level, and I definitely recommend it on an academic level. Regarding their view, I have reservations about it, but if you are going to study without accepting views or at least listening critically, then there should be no problem. I also have very reservations about their conservative (Haredi) approach to halakha and somewhat to learning. You should know that it is a Haredi yeshiva (whose students wear knitted kippahs), and studying there is about the same as studying in Hebron or any other Lithuanian yeshiva. The form of teaching is also very similar (although in my opinion the level in the good Haredi yeshivahs is higher. But not that they are like the Lumenists there. According to their Haredi standards, they are inferior to leading Lithuanian yeshivahs). On the other hand, a good Heder yeshiva like Ma’ale Adumim, the study is a little less intensive in my opinion, but that’s up to you. There you will also receive additional things that you won’t receive in a center or a Haredi yeshiva. Forms of observation, good-level thinking, and so on. Also take into account the recruitment issue. At the center, you recruit on your own and you decide when, and sometimes it turns out unsuccessful. At the Seder yeshiva, the route is well defined and done in a group of beinish. It’s more convenient. In general, I don’t think the level of the yeshiva is very important. Most of it depends on you. If you study well, you will thrive almost anywhere. Good luck,

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דוד replied 3 years ago

I agree about the fact that it is a Haredi yeshiva for all intents and purposes, but is there really a difference between the level in the center and the level in Hebron in terms of education? I'm afraid it's just stigma (the same applies to Har HaMor, in my opinion, the level there is really no lower in terms of education than Haredi yeshivahs. Rabbi Mordechai's lessons are at a very high level). As someone who studies at the center and has heard many general lessons from Rabbi David Cohen (the head of the yeshiva in Hebron), I can say that the level at the "Reid" yeshiva is pretty much the same and they speak the same language. It's possible that the percentage of students in Hebron is higher, but that's less critical because in the center you definitely have people who are not inferior to them in terms of education.

א replied 3 years ago

There are people at the center who are not inferior to many other places, but this is a yeshiva that is like a shtiblah, many types of people at many different levels, each teacher teaches at a different level and in a different style, and in general it is a good yeshiva for those looking for independent study. At the center, students are mainly first-year students and less recent students.

טעמו וראו replied 3 years ago

What's the point of talking about it? We go to the Sabbath and get impressed. Have you tried it at Givat Levona?

With regards, Ofer Eyal Dolgin-Kopczinsky
Coordinator of the Sabbath, at the Givat Levona Yeshiva

והעיקר: שהמקום יתאים לך replied 3 years ago

And the main thing is not a prestigious and prestigious place, nor the number and quality of the elite. But whether you will ‘find yourself’ there. Only someone who knows you and the yeshiva well can answer that, and the ’expert’ is you yourself. And there is no substitute for seeing with your own eyes. Go to the Shabbat.

With best wishes, Hanoch Hanach Feinschmecker-Palti

איא replied 3 years ago

My uncle was the registrar of a Kol Torah yeshiva and he told me that it was all nonsense and that in every yeshiva there were good guys and bad guys. It was all promotional marketing.
In my opinion, the main thing is how much the guy invests in
success.