Clinical death, psychedelics and the soul
peace. I’m writing this after I’ve already given up time and time again from time to time. I’ve read so many experiences of people who have gone through various types of near-death experiences and psychedelic journeys for years and the stories just don’t end. They don’t end. There are reports that are not easy to read to say the least, and that took me a while to get through. But it just doesn’t end, just as their faces are different, so are their trips. The inevitable conclusion that this has just brought me to is that everything simply happens in the head and our consciousness is simply far beyond what we think. My question: How does all of this fit in with the explanation of the existence of the soul? If there really is duality, what is true? And where is it likely that the soul goes after death?
I didn’t understand your question. Say what you want about these descriptions. What does this have to do with the soul? The soul can go to countless places or forms with or without regard to these descriptions.
If you’ve asked this before and didn’t get an answer and therefore gave up, what made you think you’d get an answer now?
Doesn't this make it difficult regarding solipsism?
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I didn't ask about solipsism.
‘The soul can go to countless places or forms with or without regard to these descriptions’ Where did you get the idea, from the delusional theory of infinite universes?
I didn't ask that before, I gave up on -everything I read-. I really suggest you read for a while and understand from the inside what I mean. Maybe I'll shorten your path by starting with the book ‘Proof of Heaven’ by Dr. Even Alexander, who writes that God is black and a curly blonde girl received him in the next world and there were dogs there and our universe is a grain of dust and the truest law of physics is love.
I happened to read this book. It's not really what it says.
But there's no discussion here, so for me we're done.
I meant that many people who take psychedelics, from what I've read in the newspapers, perceive it as an experience that reflects objective reality. And the same is true for clinical death and near-death experiences.
So if psychedelics do reflect the world correctly, then it seemingly leads to a perception that is quite solipsistic that our consciousness creates reality and it has no independent source because these are perceptions that don't align with our understanding of the world. For example, when you look at someone you see that they are all earthy or all sorts of other hallucinatory things from what I understood to be seen in pictures from the sixties.
That's exactly what it says. And there's actually a discussion here, I asked and answered, and then I answered what you answered. According to your answer, the explanation must be this: There are many universes and the next world and God, and each one comes from a different place.
Me. Like all humans. Every night I go through about 5 psychedelic journeys. I don't remember most of them.
If this proves anything, it's the fact that there is no life after death.
How?
While a person is dreaming, he is indeed conscious, but while a person is not dreaming, there is nothing. In other words, a person does not really exist. Only when the brain creates him.
God is of all kinds of colors. Light, black, pink, and even the color of nothing. As with the number of people and religions, so is the number of Gods, and even in our own religion it is never-ending: I did not see the God of the Bible as the God of the sages, nor did I see the God of the sages as the God of the Rambam, nor did I see the God of the Rambam as the God of the Ari, and so on.
A’ Hello, regarding the persistence of the soul, in my humble opinion, the research of ‘Ian Stevenson’ provides more convincing information, the fruit of his work is ‘reincarnation’.. (based on xenoglossy) The result of course is the persistence of the soul.
To the best of my judgment (full disclosure – I have not read all the reviews) of the reviews that I have read, they attack in the style of ‘ad-hominem’ and the assumption sought is extreme. (After all, there is no soul survival. If so, surely the 'scientist' who published this is a hypocrite, and has gone beyond the boundaries of science. [Certain claims were more about the substance of the matter, such as that most of the subjects were from primitive countries where there is a belief in reincarnation. But that is not true. There is a large study of his {a whole book just about Europe has been published} also on developed and educated countries, where belief in reincarnation is not widespread]).
And less about the substance of the matter. Ian Stevinson's research is quite well-founded.. and it is a shame that there is no serious reference by the scientific consensus regarding the fruit of his work. (And his continued development, whether there are things in the body, or not)
Have we already mentioned that materialism happens to be at the heart of the consensus? (The religion of science)
However, I am not sure that I am convinced by his research, and even if I am.. The concept of reincarnation does not coincide with rational Judaism. Namely, the rabbis in the Middle Ages (Rabbi Saadia Gaon. Rabban. Rabban [Ben Maimonides]. Rashba, etc., etc.). And there is no need to prolong this topic here. (And of course, those who accept the Kabbalistic tradition have no problem with this. Reincarnation is viable for them)
But regarding your specific question (regardless of our religion) of the survival of the soul, I think Stevenson's research is more accurate than all these clinical deaths.
Best regards, Daniel.
Hello, brother. I heard about Brian Weiss. I haven't heard about him, thanks.
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