Data on the fact that the Haredim eat free food

I don't understand two things:

1. Why do we measure by household? It's like measuring by cities, and then we find that the cities receive more than the localities. We need to measure by head, and then the data will be very different. It makes sense that even then the Haredim would receive relatively more, but I assume the difference will be much smaller.

2. Why is this a problem for the Haredim? How are they different from a coach or a waiter who chose to work in a less profitable job and owe less tax, and no one comes to them with arguments like "Why don't you work in high-tech?" The problem is in socialist policy that does not properly reward those who bring more into the country. We simply need to change the policy and encourage people to earn more, but there is no point in getting angry at people who choose to earn less for various reasons.

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1. The parents in a household pay taxes, not the children. In other words, ultra-Orthodox parents place the burden of raising their children on the secular and the religious. That is the argument.
2. Society as a whole is willing and willing to allow individuals the freedom to choose their path in all sorts of ways. The ultra-Orthodox are not individuals within a complete and functioning society, but a separate group that consciously directs itself (along with a certain level of intra-group constraints) to live on the backs of others, they and their children in the past and the generation before that and in this and the next generation. And the givers – that is not what they are interested in giving. A completely simple matter.

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There is another point – the vast majority of Haredim who work and pay taxes work in a fragmented job – a neighborhood rabbi, a judge, a kosher supervisor or a casual work arranger like Yaki Deri.

If we examine Haredim who pay taxes from work that is not through the state, we will find that almost no Haredim live and pay taxes

I'm not surprised by the numbers.
What did you think it was just annoying? It's an existential danger to society when a significant portion of it is non-productive and hungry (apart from all those who, by nature, would not work. Such as lazy people, slobs, homeless people, etc.)

But Gabriel, you wrote nonsense in pumpkin juice. I don't know what causes this, (probably frustration with the damage that the Haredim cause) but on the subject of the Haredim I see that on the site many become superficial and any argument against the Haredim is welcomed and any argument in favor is necessarily wrong regardless of the content, importance or relevance of the argument.
What you mentioned is a particular problem among the multitude of problems. But it is marginal and very, very far from your formulation. The data on the Haredi labor market is based on income tax data and not on sociologists who estimate how many Haredim work illegally (which, by the way, is also a problem. But it is also marginal and dwarfed by the main problems) and the data is very different from how you presented it.
By the way, you don't even need to look at the data to understand that "most Haredim who work" are not in jobs like Dayan's; it would work out if there were 99.7 percent unemployment among Haredim (which maybe you really think. And then you really need to look at the data)
Also, regarding illegal work, you don't even need to look at sociologists' estimates. Because
If most Haredim work illegally and add them to the data on Haredim who are registered for income tax, you are in a shortage of Haredim to fill out the data.
P.S. The employment rate recognized for tax purposes among ultra-Orthodox men is around 50% and among women around 70% (of course, this is a shocking figure and really not enough. In other words, – 50% unemployment. In Yemen, the situation is better. But I guess you thought otherwise)

Cart owner,

1. This is not a correct calculation, because the child brings economic benefit to the state by contributing to society by paying taxes when he grows up. In order to know whether the child will indeed bring benefit or be a burden, one must calculate the difference per person throughout life, which is much more complicated. (Even if we calculate the data presented in the study per person, the gap seems less severe, with the Haredi receiving 795 NIS more from the state every month than he gives).
Incidentally, to offset the surplus in the Haredi budget, it is enough to cancel the Haredi education budget, this will leave the Haredi in a fair position vis-à-vis the state – they pay what they receive (although the issue of the army still needs to be settled).

2. I don't understand the difference. Why don't an artist or a waiter “knowingly direct themselves to live on the backs of others” and the Haredi do? What is the difference between an individual doing this and a group, beyond the fact that it is easier to get angry at a group?
I agree with you that the givers are not interested in giving, so instead of getting angry at the Haredim who simply do as a group what at least a third of the country does as individuals - they should be respectful and abolish the stupid socialist policy that incentivizes people not to put in money and rely on the system. Israel learned the idea from the Nordic countries, which are now beginning to see that this policy does not work in a non-homogeneous society, which Israel has been since its founding.
The Haredim in the US are declared capitalists, because they do not want their money to be used to finance idle populations who live off the welfare system, and we will not specify who this is for fear of racism. Only in Israel has the socialist system accustomed the Haredim to the current situation, and it needs to be corrected, not the Haredim.

The Calcalist writer himself offers this insight:
“The implication is that the widening of the gaps between groups is not an accusation against the Haredim, there is no claim here about “Haredi extortion”, but rather the widening of the fact that the government tax and spending structure is currently structured in such a way that a unique group like Haredi society, which is content with little consumption, and has different preferences regarding the number of children and the use of free time, receives much more than it pays, and much more than other groups in the population. Policymakers should ask themselves, is this a structure that is right to continue to maintain? What are its social and economic costs?”

Yossi,

You are confusing opposition to a person with opposition to an ideology.
There is a huge difference in severity, in the way of handling it and in the ability to contain it, between a sweeping and stupid idea and a stupid person.

Do you really not distinguish between a homeless person and the “Homeless Party” – which has 19 seats, who mutter to themselves religiously that they are willing to die for the value of homelessness?

David S.,

Do you think that an ideology of being an artist or a tailor is immoral?

I don't think there is a problem with ideology itself, but that society should not encourage it. On the one hand, society wants to allow people to choose different ideologies, but on the other hand, in order to maintain its economic prosperity, it is desirable to outline a policy that will encourage an ideology (or rather a practice) that promotes the prosperity that most of society is interested in. This policy is called the “free market”.

To Yossi,
The state has no use for a Haredi child.
A Haredi child is a bottomless pit of expenses that will grow up to be a burden on the public and will bring 6-7 more children who will grow up to be a burden on the public and they in turn will bring 6-7 more children to be a burden on the public and so on …

Of course there are always exceptions, but the general picture is clear – Every Haredi child who, following the words of the head of state, decides to emigrate to Ukraine is a net gain for the state

Yossi,

Nobody talked about morality. We talked about an ideology that is dangerous to our economic existence. I don't see a moral problem with communism, but I will fight it if it spreads in the country.
Before I address tailors, it is worth noting that you are creating a straw man with the equation between a waiter and a tailor.
But even if the Haredim were a "tailoring religion" and tailoring was their art, and thus of course they produce much more clothes than they can afford, and their labor force (17% of the country) is consumed elsewhere, I would come out strongly against the ideology... and again, I wish the unemployed Haredim were tailors!

Correction: The Haredim are 12% of the general population. Of the Jewish population, it is much more {1.2 million out of 7.2)
Either way, it doesn't matter.

Gabriel,
I didn't write that there is a benefit, but that in order to know what the cost is, you need to calculate per person and not per household, since a household involves a significant factor, which is the number of people in it, which varies from sector to sector. It's like comparing the general GDP of countries cannot give us data on their socio-economic situation, but rather you need to compare the GDP per capita (for example, compare China's GDP to that of Iceland).
I really think that the Haredi public should separate into an independent autonomy that will pay privately for all the services it consumes from the State of Israel. That way, the Haredi won't be able to complain about these and other "decrees", and on the other hand, the rest of the grumpy Israelis will have to look for another scapegoat to vent their frustration on.

David S.,
The point is that it is not the ideology that is dangerous but the stupid policy that encourages it. There is nothing wrong with a ”tailor ideology”, but a country that encourages its citizens to become tailors instead of doctors and engineers will find itself in an economic hole. And should one make an argument about the tailor or the public policy that encourages tailoring?
I don't understand why this is a straw man. I assume you know that not all Haredim are avrechim, most Haredim adults over the age of 25 work for a living (80% of women and 55% of men), and contrary to conventional thinking – the main problem is not the lower percentage of workers but the low income of those who do work. In this respect, it is quite similar to a tailor who chooses to earn a little.

Yossi,
Per capita GDP refers to adults, not children.