Defining books that are prohibited in toilets
Hello Rabbi,
I haven’t been able to quite understand what the exact Haggadah of Torah Gebra is. -From what I understand from your words- anything that can lead to understanding a concept in the Torah is considered Torah Gebra. Studying a passage in a science or philosophy book that will help me understand the Torah is considered Torah Gebra.
Does this mean that I can study that same passage in the bathroom – in filthy places – if it is considered a Torah passage – in Gebra?
What is the difference between this and certain passages in the Talmud?
Do you think that certain passages from complete Torah books can be read in the service?
Could there be a difference between a toilet and hearing in the shower?
Thank you very much.
No. There are mitzvah instruments of Talmud Torah and there is Torah in Gebra. For example, if mathematics helps to rule or interpret certain issues, then it is a mitzvah instrument. Whereas when you study it for its wisdom (and not as a means of interpretation) – then it is Torah in Gebra.
In my opinion, there is no reason to put Talmudic legends in the bathroom. However, I would not recommend it due to the proper treatment of the Talmud in general.
I don’t think there’s any difference from a shower.
Thank you very much!
1. Does this mean that Torah Gebra is forbidden to be brought into filthy places and that kosher is a mitzvah? Or am I wrong…
It's a bit strange that it would be forbidden to bring mathematics into the bathroom even if it's for its own purpose.
2. Is it possible that there is a difference and that the bathrooms these days, when they are clean, are not defined as filthy places - in my opinion, the bathrooms at my house are cleaner than the Beit Midrash… - all of this of course if they are there for another purpose, for example shaving, etc.…
Thank you again.
On the contrary. After all, I wrote about Talmudic legends. Torah in Gebra is not a text but a type of study. A holy book is a holy object regardless of what is done with it, and therefore Torah in Gebra is not a holy book.
Although I'm not knowledgeable on the subject, in many places the issue isn't really about dirt and grime, but about respect. A toilet is not considered a respectable place, no matter how clean it is.
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