Did the author of the Book of Zohar not study the Bible?
peace,
How could the author of the Zohar make a mistake in counting the letters of the Torah? Didn’t he learn from God?
Kind regards, Benjamin
I don’t know. And how did the Sages get this wrong regarding Va’u Daghon? The Gemara itself already speaks of not being familiar with the deficiencies and excesses and Apollo not being familiar with the words of the Torah.
And Ev Daghon (and the other sections in the Gemara Kiddushin 3:1: letters, words, verses. All are errors) This is especially surprising (to me) because in the Masora (after the period of the Amoraim, but it is likely that there were Masoras before that) we see a stunning mastery of the entire Bible in its letters. They did not tire of checking again and again and again and writing down the number of occurrences of each word and how many are missing and how many are extra, etc. Compared to this, counting the Torah (and Psalms) once accurately is a small amount of money. Many have tried their hand at all sorts of creative ideas to interpret what is meant there and have not come up with anything.
Indeed, but it is worth noting that in many cases there are mistakes in the calculations (such as the work of the Sabbath work, etc. After that, of course, the commentators come and make excuses).
And here is an interesting interpretation (it seems that the author there attributes this interpretation to Rabbi Yitzhak Zilber and Rabbi Pinchas Segal. I remember seeing something like this with Rabbi Reuven Margaliot):
http://torah.125mb.com/kidushin.html
– Deresh Deresh Half of double letters in the Torah
– V’ Daghon (V’ rabati) Half of special letters (large/small. And the above link adds some epicycles)
– Vatgalach (G’ rabati) Half of verses in which a large letter (…) appears
– E’ Dyer (E’ twiyya) Half of special letters (large/small/dependent) in the Psalms
– And he is merciful, he omitted verses in the Psalms, which is 2 verses away from the truth, because in both there is a reproach to Israel, so they moved the mark away.
The matter itself is indeed narrow, but if everything fits together in one conceptual style, this is good proof. Maybe we just need to check afterwards that there really are no additional degrees of freedom. And it is also quite strange that the messengers were wrong about this, and especially in a generation where the entire written text that came before them was only the Bible (whether they had a written Mishnah or just a fixed oral formulation depends on the versions in the letter of Rabbi Sharira Gaon).
It is clear to me that this is not the plain meaning of the Gemara itself. Furthermore, how did the Rishonim and the Aharonim understand this?
It seems very strange to me too. But if everything really works out smoothly, how could it be a coincidence? Except for ’and he is merciful’, if the numbers are right then it works out too well.
The subject is not similar to the evidence, the author of the Book of Zohar was mistaken “only” in about –300,000 lettersࢶ
On the contrary, Benjamin, if the error is too extreme, then it is better to blame it on a counting error (after all, we are not dealing with the liquid from the House of Rabban) and we need to look for what the hint is. When the error is only reasonable (as in the Gemara), then it is possible to blame it on a lack of knowledge or an error.
On the contrary, Beit Hillel…
“In the book Deeply Reveals the Written by the Israelite Notarikon, there are sixty thousand letters for the Torah… only I will not understand the number sixty thousand letters that my poor mind cannot comprehend, since the sum of the verses of the Torah according to what is printed in the Pentateuch is found to be eight thousand letters, even if each verse has nine letters, like the verse And now Israel and the Go’ or K’ letters. It is impossible for there to be sixty thousand, since there are not six thousand verses in the Torah
— Yair Rella's notes
Did you know??? Only in 1930 was the exact number of the letters of the Torah discovered, published in the book “Mishnat Rabbi Yaakov” by Rabbi Yaakov Shor!!!
It seems to me that until then laziness ruled the world and no one really bothered to count.
Okay. I still think the problem in the Gemara is more serious than the problem in the Zohar.
By the way, regarding the one who reveals the depth, there is a difference between someone who quotes something (and then relies on what is written and does not bother to check, even in things that if you make a little effort you see are unfounded) and someone who starts the matter. The first one who invented the number sixty thousand had nothing to rely on, and it seems quite strange to me that he would inflate a number from a diliha according to some vague requirement. But maybe he really inflated it according to some vague requirement and was not bothered by the difficulty of the Gemara Nitty Sefer and Nimninah.
I vaguely remember there is a recitation by Rek”a that says something similar there, Daman Dermi about the first one, Yahib Adiya, and the second one less so (maybe it is a Gemara? Maybe it is not in Rek? Ella). Just like in a store, sometimes they don't count the excess because the seller has already counted.
Dear Beit Hillel…
“Even the cistern of the ephah, to give alms, as the number of the tribes of Israel, the judgment of the trinity, and the cistern to give alms. Even the cistern, as the pitcher of the ephah, is filled with cisterns to give”
— Zohar Hadash, Issue 1
What does “Kad Atmalo Salkin Leshtin” mean? Here it actually says that the letters themselves do not reach 60 thousand (but about half) and somehow this ”filling” completes sixty thousand.
I have zero interest in settling the opinion that the Zohar is an ancient Jewish holy scripture. I would write the same things even if it were just a text written by someone who knew how to cut a cucumber for himself.
Maybe the letter צען קד אטמנו then your question is directed to the Duchta. Although it is still a bit difficult why in the tribes it was not written אטמנו but straight “Selkin”.
Besides just צען ס, R-L exchanges occur. Among other things, see Ramban in Genesis 25:
(לטושים=אלטושים) “For the לאלטושים; and the נאלטושים; will be changed in places like לשכה and נשכה, and from a sword abandoned, like לטושים”
There is also ארמלא=widow and I remember there are many more.
Which is on the cucumber and on the chel.
Regarding your קק, I don't know much, Dahari is interpreted as a calculator, that is, as a calculator desalkin to 60 רובא!!! There was a calculation of the number of the children of Israel, and this is in contrast to the calculation of the letters desalkin without calculation.
I don't think it's worth spending three exclamation points on such a rambling explanation.
Beit Hillel, “(except for about half)” … How?
Benjamin, you don't even have the beginning and end of a basic ability to read the Zohar properly. The same Kintur questions will also make it difficult for the Dao and the Bhagavad Gita. In fact, any mystical literature at its best can be nullified and belittled using questions of this kind. The thing is that these books were not written for states of consciousness like yours. In fact, they were written precisely to get out of this state.
Maybe A. could help him with the matter of consciousness.
He must have learned by heart.
Write beautifully without proof.
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