Divine commandments
Hello Rabbi.
When we talk about a divine command, do we mean an external entity that reveals itself to a person and commands him, or perhaps it can be argued, and I am more inclined to this, that a divine command is a command that comes from a very deep place in the human soul, a spiritual place devoid of materiality and personal touches, a kind of pure truth. Therefore, the commandments that were established by the Sages are also divine commands. Because they came from a spiritual place. And here I get confused and ask, so what is the difference between commandments created by the Sages, such as washing hands, and commandments that were written in the Torah, such as Shatnaz or Halaiim? Perhaps they were also created by spiritual men who were at that time and were simply put down in writing and therefore are called Torah? Or perhaps in biblical times the spiritual men were on a higher level {closer to God} and therefore the source of the commandments is more divine.
With regards and appreciation
Who said there is such an inner place? And even if there is, why does a commandment that I invented myself obligate me? And why punish others by virtue of my inner commandment? And if you say that this inner place is sensitive to an external source of validity (that is, my inner place feels that there is a God who commands me), then we are back to the commandments as the fulfillment of the commandment of a mitzvah (only perhaps without revelation). See the fourth notebook, part 3, on a commandment without a mitzvah (there is no such animal).
I don't really understand the arguments.
Who said there was such an internal place? Who said anything? Who said there was an external entity that commands? Who said there were emotions and who said there was a soul, everything is matter and chemical reactions that produce sensations and emotions.
Why punish others? I don't understand at all. State laws created by legislators also produce punishments in order to deter. Religious laws produce God in order to punish.
You also agree that the commandments of the rabbis were created by the sages and not by external revelation, and yet the blessed ones who sanctified us with their commandments and commands, that is, the sages, created for themselves the status of God, in order to create authority among the masses, or would you say that this is an external revelation? I wonder what the big deal is.
If you want to talk to yourself about your hallucinations - I have no problem with that. It's just not a good idea to bring things up as questions, because it misleads others and wastes their time.
Now I thought my answer might sound offensive. I didn't mean to offend, but to respond in a matter-of-fact, albeit somewhat cynical, manner.
You are talking about what I called your "personal delusions" (=inner voices telling you to redeem a donkey's hide and not eat pork). If you have such voices, and in your opinion there is no doubt about it (as you just answered me), listen to them. What are you asking me?
And in particular, I don't understand what you have against the sages who, by virtue of those inner voices, felt that they were God (according to your interpretation, while ignoring the Torah commandments of "You shall not deviate") and who had the authority to command and legislate? How are they different from you (who also felt yourself to be God with the authority to legislate and command)?
I explained what I meant by an inner voice {by the way, I didn't mean my inner audience, so I didn't understand your comment "your personal delusions"} I don't mean the delusions of the sages, I don't think they were delusional. I argue that in order to reach a high "conscientious intelligence", one needs a high intellect and refined qualities, which I think the sages had. I would be happy if you could explain to me what you mean by an external revelation, and how it comes. I hope for a meaningful discussion.
As far as I'm concerned, the entire discussion is my business, as I explained.
So what is this inner voice you're talking about? A voice that comes from heaven and only you hear it? Do we all hear it? (So in what sense is it inner?) I've already said that if these voices mean listening to a command that comes from outside, I have no argument with you.
You said that the sages created for themselves the status of God (implying: without any real basis). So I asked you why they are not allowed to listen to inner voices if you are allowed to?
In short, I have no idea what the discussion is about here. Please rephrase your question clearly.
I asked a simple question, what do you mean, a quote from your words: “A command that comes from outside” {In my opinion, this is much more absurd than the ‘inner voice’ that you mock} Outside of what? Outside of the universe? Outside of man? And in what way does this command come? I assume it is not a vocal voice..
The inner voice is not absurd. The absurdity is to see it as something valid and binding. I referred to the fourth notebook, part 3.
I don't know if it's vocal or something else. I mean outside of man and human beings.
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