Do I feel something wrong in remaining Haredi with all the laws when in truth I don’t identify at all (almost) with the worldviews of this public?
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Can you explain why this is so bad, please?
From many perspectives. This is a primitive perception. Religiously incorrect. An exploitative and unproductive society. Lacking autonomy. A group that harasses its members and society as a whole. The status of women is atrocious (and of course with their full consent, because they are not allowed to study, so they do not know that their status is not mandated by Halacha and Torah). Closed communication and silence. Control by vested interests. No treatment of internal problems and certainly no participation in external struggles. And so on and so forth. Some of the problems also exist in other groups, but the complexities and strengths are unique to the Haredim.
Do you perhaps have a realistic alternative on a practical level for me?
Because talk is not worth much if it does not stand the test of reality, and since we live here in this world and not in the world of ideas, and I believe that God has put me in a place where I can be a good person and not a bad one, it is requested of Eliyo that there be an option to live a life of Judaism in a good way that will not harm my values such as keeping the commandments at a high level (which is almost absent in other communities, perhaps in a few cases), true fear of God, and a value for studying the Torah and preserving tradition in all its branches.
A religious, national, Torah-oriented person who meets most of the values you presented and is also a partner in building the nation in the rain and wind, a reasonable combination.
In honor of the confused Haredi, it is recommended that you read a little on the site, not because R’ Miki is right [maybe so, and maybe not everyone and their understanding], but more so that you understand how brainwashed you are, and your very last question proves that you do not understand how much you imagine that the Haredi public is perfect in terms of commandments [each public chooses its own offenses] and accurate.
I don't know what you mean by alternative. The question is what are your views, what are your inclinations, what are your constraints. It's impossible to answer such a question. You have to decide your path, not anyone else.
It is worth adding to the horror the mustard messianics.
The status of women is not glorious, most of them work in less productive jobs, primitive, military service is shortened for most of them (if at all), but unlike the Haredim, the real politics there is on the ground with dangerous positions on the international political level (it is enough to see the levels of madness of the last few days with types like Smotrich, Struck and Ben Gvir).
Together with the Haredim and the demographic growth, I foresee a glorious future for us.
Yankela, it's really something you need to sit down with yourself and think about whether it's okay how the Haredim behave in these famous things, opposition to education, opposition to military service (others will risk it and they don't), to burden the public and not make a living like any honest person. Whenever I think about it, I'm like saying how can you even think for a moment that it's okay, it's directly saying that evil is good and good is bad.
But let's be honest with ourselves, those who come out are exposed to difficult harm (whether in the educational system or in the modesty system for those who understand what I'm talking about - like Yair Shirky's creations who are able to demonstrate something disgusting without any shame since the public contains and contains and more and more)
2. He endangers the continued life of the children who will undergo a difficult change and may destroy much of what they have built
3. All the media in all publics that will be really disliked by no one (if we're being honest - among the Haredim there is a bit of a bias that these things are read with a delay of 5 or 10 years compared to others)
4. Values such as Torah and observance of the commandments have been reduced to the trash if not to total destruction, at least in children and certainly in most grandchildren (except for one or two who were burned back by outsiders)
5. This is a language that the service can reject in the name of X taste, if I find myself maintaining certain values and for that I need to stay away from places that teach me to go through amputations without any remorse, so it is appropriate to abstain from the army and its branches.
6. The life of the Benonis as an ideal among the Mazoruhnikim of their kind is not suitable for the life of a Jew who truly wants the truth.
7. It is unpleasant to live next to people who eat carrion and prey and burn incense and desecrate the Sabbath in Persia (I do not specifically mean Mazoruhnikim, although in certain strata this is what happens secretly) when you want to give your children an example of nobility and not worldliness.
It is difficult to find a normal place, perhaps abroad.
“You are doing something wrong by being Haredi” Wow, so much hatred in so few words!!
You are dismissing and labeling an entire society in such a sweeping and generalizing way.
Are they really that bad??
An entire society of people that is composed, like any society, of better and less good people and phenomena and you have not found a single good thing in them??
To the point that the mere fact that a person belongs to a sector is something wrong in your eyes??
What about all the works of kindness and generosity, helping others and community. People who are content with little and see Torah study as an ideal that establishes a whole life???
I will help you find one good thing. Last Thursday, for example, when in Bnei Brak they organized a demonstration whose sole purpose was to provoke and provoke the Haredi, they promoted the demonstrators with singing and dancing and handed out chocolates to them. Didn't you think to mention that? Unlike you (!) they probably believe in free love.
You assume you'll say: Yes, that's true but… and you'll find a way to minimize it – but no public or sector is perfect and shortcomings can be found in every group.
I have a feeling you wouldn't write like that about other sectors in Israel. If I didn't know who wrote it, I would think it was an anti-Semitic platform or a platform for professional religious haters.
Normally I think you're a serious person with a coherent and reasoned worldview. Too bad.
Classic Haredi apologetics. When I criticize Harediism, it doesn't mean that all Haredim are bad people (on a personal level). The conduct and society are bad.
I will write this about any sector that I think deserves it. So your feelings don't really matter in this matter.
Regarding Thursday's demonstration, this is a great example of Haredi demagogy. They didn't come for provocation but to protest, quite rightly, against disgraceful Haredi conduct (exactly what I described above). And the fact that the Haredi came out at them with bread and salt is just propaganda. On the contrary, let them repeat one wrongdoing out of many that they do, so maybe I'll agree that there is a true and genuine act here.
That's not true.
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