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Evolution and planner

שו”תCategory: Torah and ScienceEvolution and planner
asked 9 years ago

Hello Rabbi,
The Rabbi in his lessons in the Lenbuch of the Generation, lesson no. 7, minute 51~
He said that the chance of creating evolution in terms of protein chains is 1/20^200, and if the chances are so small and the impossible happened, there must be a designer, etc.
But there is infinite time, so why wouldn’t the first creature be created?


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מיכי Staff answered 9 years ago
There is no infinite time because the universe was created in a bang. Beyond that, even less time has passed since the formation of life (the first protein chain). And beyond all of that, it is not correct to talk here about chance but about rate (chance per unit of time).

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Meir replied 9 years ago

1. From the bang on, there is infinite time.
2. Even in the lottery, sometimes the winnings come early.

מיכי Staff replied 9 years ago

1. ??? This is a refreshing innovation in mathematics (not related to physics): there is an event that happened at some point and then an infinite amount of time passed.
2. Therefore, according to your theory, every rare case statistically means nothing. For example, if when you roll a die you get 6 a hundred times in a row, you should not conclude that the die is unfair because sometimes such a sequence comes out by chance at the beginning. And so on. Do you really think that this is likely? The fact that something is possible with some probability is not a relevant consideration. You need to think about it in the form of a hypothesis test: you ask yourself which of the two hypotheses is more likely: that it happened by chance right at the beginning or that there is a deliberate hand. Both possibilities can of course occur, but the first has zero chance. Therefore, the second is preferable.

Meir replied 9 years ago

1. I meant to say that there could be an infinite amount of time after the bang, not that we are now standing at “infinity”.

2. Assuming that the die was rolled an infinite number of times,
the Rabbi agrees that there was no great innovation in the case the Rabbi describes.

So what does it matter if it was created at the ”beginning” of the axis of infinity or at the “end” of infinity.

Like every day we win the lottery, etc.
The Rabbi is invited to watch some atheist videos, they demonstrate this very well. With a host of effects and more.

מושה replied 9 years ago

Dear Rabbi, I didn't understand your denial about the infinite time before and after the bang?
And after the bang until the formation of life because of the protein chain – How do you know how long it took?
I didn't understand how it is possible to even talk about “time” at all, long before the luminaries were created (it doesn't matter right now how).

מיכי Staff replied 9 years ago

1. There is no infinite time, neither before nor after. Infinity is a potential concept. But even if it is a long time (and not infinite), we can talk about a small chance that it will come true. However, we do not know at all the process of the formation of universes and life out of nothing, and therefore the length of time does not provide a solution. What's more, the laws within which all this takes place are themselves distilling an explanation. All this appears in my article here on the site and maybe you should read it:
https://mikyab.net/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%98-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%98%D7%AA% D7%99-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%99%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%99-%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94/

Regarding the realization of a small chance at the beginning of time, I have already given you an example from the results of the cube. Give your opinion on it.

I am well acquainted with the arguments of atheists, and their demonstrations are usually wrong and misleading. In general, probability and statistics are very confusing fields for laypeople and it is very easy to be deceived and mistaken.

Moshe, time has nothing to do with luminaries. Cosmological cycles only measure time but are not the essence of time. You are also welcome to read the above articles.

Meir replied 9 years ago

I didn't understand what the difference was between the sequence coming out at the beginning and the end? In the parable of the dice.

What's more, life wasn't exactly created at the beginning but close after the beginning.

Also, what the Rabbi said in the link, about us not knowing about other universes, etc., I'm talking about this universe having infinite time.
And I didn't understand what the difference was between potential infinity, etc.?

The Rabbi says the atheists' hodgepodge in the videos with the lottery is incorrect?

מיכי Staff replied 9 years ago

The lottery example is complete nonsense. Just a lack of understanding. In general, I know their examples and arguments and most of them are irrelevant. I referred you to the article and the book, take a look there.

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