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Extremism and consensus

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asked 5 months ago

Hello Rabbi, I am an ultra-Orthodox member of the Avrech Kollel who comes in from time to time and really enjoys it. I would like to ask if a project has occurred to me that might bring some order here:
After all, the problem of disagreement between the sectors in the country stems mainly from the religious part (Haredi and Da’al), because it is impossible to compromise on religion, of course, and let the other go to hell, such a possibility is not given at all.
But if we publish a book or pamphlet or something like that that will be distributed in Haredi centers, in which various rabbis and poskim will be cited who present the matter of religion in different ways, including references from the Gamma and Rishonim (just in case the Chazo’a writes that even if all the inhabitants of the city are 18, they still need to provide guards, which contradicts a common Haredi claim that if everyone studies, there is no need for an army, and of course Rabbi Shach himself, who writes that anyone who does not study must enlist), I don’t necessarily think that this will change the readers’ opinions, but it will make them understand that their opinions are based mainly on sectarianism and not necessarily on religion, and in any case the possibilities for compromise will be more realistic.
Likewise, among the religious public, the commandment of settling in Israel, the beginning of redemption, and provoking the nations, etc., will, in my opinion, lead to a reduction in the level of tension and hatred, at least in the religious public. I would be happy to hear the expertise on the subject.


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מיכי Staff answered 5 months ago
Unfortunately, in our discourse, everyone is religious. All sides and positions are fortified and unwilling to listen. My feeling is that the left-secular side is more dodgy. It is true that the religious content is more problematic on the haredi side. Their religion is worse than the secular one. In other words, more than the problem of insistence that exists on all sides, they also have the problem of stupidity and wickedness. I think your suggestion is a bit naive. The arguments are everywhere, but no one is listening. You can provide references until tomorrow, and no one is interested in it. Of course, it won’t be possible to distribute it in an organized manner, but that’s just a technical problem. Regarding the Da’tal public, I didn’t understand what you want. Do you want to bring them references that we are not at the beginning of redemption or that it is forbidden to provoke nations? successfully.

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גדעון replied 5 months ago

What a stupidity, but why do you think the Haredi public is evil? After all, it stems from ideology, not from malice.

מיכי Staff replied 5 months ago

His public conduct is incredibly evil. It's an evil ideology, and it's worse than random evil (it was an ideology for the Nazis too). Sometimes a public made up of people who are partly good collectively behave in an evil way.

שמעון replied 5 months ago

Germany has also changed and there are almost no Nazis today, and I am trying to correct this and not say that there is nothing to be done. As I said, there is immense ignorance among the vast majority of the public who do not know truly significant laws (such as the Shulchan Arbiter, which requires work, etc.), and with an emphasis on laws and rulings and not on a casual view of equality of burden, etc., which is an argument that does not speak to people who do not have universal moral values (look at an average street in Bnei Brak and the stench there, and you will realize that their system of rules is completely different), and I do believe that exposure to laws that affect views can undermine fanatical and extremist perceptions from within. What rabbi could say no to distributing a pamphlet in the synagogue that only brings explicit laws from the Mishnah and the great poskim of each generation? This would create a conflict of sorts.

משה replied 5 months ago

There are no explicit laws on this matter; for every article, you will find another article that contradicts it. The question is what becomes clear when all the data is weighed, and this is something that depends on the reasoning of the heart.

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