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asked 2 years ago

Peace and blessings,
I am unable to understand the meaning of the Torah and the purpose of fulfilling the mitzvot and observing the halacha. I am looking for answers in many books and studying a lot of faith, but I have a hard time with the answers that are given.
I believe that there is a Creator of the world and a divine being, but I can’t understand why He gave us the Torah and what obligates us to it.
If the Torah is the right way to live and God guides us through it to the ideal way of life in the world, I accept this and see many of the commandments as meaningful and valuable (for example, washing hands before eating bread teaches us to thank the one who created the bread, gratitude, and in addition, it helps to educate the value of cleanliness and hygiene).
From the understanding that the commandments were given to us to teach us a way of life, I am able to understand the meaning of observing and living the Torah and am able to connect with the Torah. (Although there are many commandments that I do not see as valuable as commandments between man and God, which are simply to worship God, I do not see a particular meaning here. In addition, I think that it is also possible to live a good life with a lot of kindness and happiness and with a lot of help and care for others even without the guidance of the Torah, with the help of the inner morality that is inherent in man. There are many secular people whose whole world is kindness and they do good, but on Shabbat they go to the sea and they are not guided by the Torah, and I wish that Torah-observers would live like them.)
But this is not the definition and answer I found. The answer, according to what I have learned and read, is that the purpose of life is to “delight in God and enjoy the glory of His presence,” and through the commandments we cling to God and draw closer to Him and worship Him and fear Him. This is puzzling to me, so why did God create the world? Why does this obligate me to worship Him and to observe and do everything He has commanded me?
If it means living well and correctly – observing commandments whose meaning I understand, then that’s fine with me, but just worshiping God and clinging to Him, I don’t understand the value, I don’t understand all the holiness and awe of drawing close to God and truly worshiping Him, I can’t understand why we need all the effort to feel small in comparison to God, He created the world, so what? Why is He so holy that we need to be submissive to Him?
If the whole meaning of our coming into the world is to do good and that the Torah directs us to this, then why do we constantly use the expressions “fear of God” and “for the sake of heaven?” The goal is to do good and kindness, what is the connection to the honor of God and for His sake?


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מיכי Staff answered 2 years ago

It simply seems to me that the purpose of the commandments is not morality nor a better life. This is simply not factually correct. It is likely that their purpose is religious, that is, some kind of spiritual correction (this is also true of the moral commandments). I elaborated on this at the beginning of the third book in my trilogy, as well as in the article “Is Halacha a Hebrew Law” and in this article: https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=f18e4f052adde49eb&q=https://mikyab.net/%25D7%259B%25D7%25AA%25D7%2591%25D7%2599%25D7%259D/%25D7%2 59E%25D7%2590%25D7%259E%25D7%25A8%25D7%2599%25D7%259D/%25D7%2591%25D7%2599%25 D7%259F-%25D7%2594%25D7%2598%25D7%25A8%25D7%2599%25D7%2598%25D7%2595%25D7%25A8 %25D7%2599%25D7%2594-%25D7%25A9%25D7%259C%25D7%2599-%25D7%259C%25D7%2598%25D7 %25A8%25D7%2599%25D7%2598%25D7%2595%25D7%25A8%25D7%2599%25D7%2594-%25D7%25A9%2 5D7%259C-%25D7%2594%25D7%2596%25D7%2595%25D7%259C%25D7%25AA-%25D7%25A2&sa=U&ve d=2ahUKEwia5b_L45aBAxXbTaQEHSE2AYoQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3v7LIO2iei8cmxJK-tvLLz In the first book of the trilogy, I also explained why it is unlikely that the purpose of the commandments is morality. In general, it is unlikely that the purpose is us, since there was an alternative to not creating us and then there would be no need for the commandments. Therefore, it is quite clear that we and the commandments are intended for spiritual correction (and perhaps of God Himself. See column 360 (and also 170, 115).


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מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

In general, I do not recommend studying the literature of thought. It is better to think. The authors there did not know more than you do and there is no reason to assume that their words have any authority or are correct if they do not seem so to you.

י.ד. replied 2 years ago

Rabbi, those who live in a glass house are advised not to throw stones.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

If you associate my book with that literature, you are making a bitter mistake.

י.ד. replied 2 years ago

So it is not recommended to study the Moreh Nevuchim? Maharal? Sefer HaEchikarim? Tanya? Nefesh HaChayim? Rav Kook?
From what I see, the Rav certainly read them, thought about them, and taught them, even if he did not see it as Torah study in a haptza or even a gabra.

On the 21st of Elul, 3rd of September

To Hanan, peace be upon him,

Morals require us to respect property rights and to acknowledge the benefactor. Therefore, our obligation to the Creator of the world is no less than that which He has made and to Him we have made.

And more. A person's recognition of his subordination to the Creator of the world deepens his obligation and responsibility to work to repair the world and benefit the creatures, whose well-being the Lord desires. The commandments between man and God help a person to internalize this obligation.

With the blessing of strength, Fishel

חינוך מטמיע ערכים replied 2 years ago

The fact that the moral values of the Torah and the prophets are accepted today by a large part of humanity – are the result of the presence of thousands of years in the people of Israel and in world culture of the ‘morality of the prophets’ that Judaism spread.

But even if the concepts have already entered the consciousness – man still needs constant self-education to internalize his commitment and responsibility that will not be distorted and distorted due to his egoistic instincts that &#8217work overtime’.

Best regards, Fish”l

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

It doesn't speak to me, and I haven't studied them either. I've seen excerpts here and there, but I haven't really studied the books themselves. If there's someone it speaks to and builds their world for, then that's fine. It's a Torah in a nutshell, just like Kant or Dostoevsky.

י.ד. replied 2 years ago

It doesn't matter. In the final line, you added more books to the collection. It's like those who fight metaphysics and end up adding another thick book dealing with metaphysics. That doesn't mean that the books don't have something new, but every book on the list I gave had something new to ponder.

חנן הירשפלד replied 2 years ago

As a response to education that inculcates values – ”The fact that the moral values of the Torah and the prophets are accepted today by a large part of humanity – are the result of the presence of thousands of years in the people of Israel and in world culture of the ‘morality of the prophets’ that Judaism spread.”
I have seen this argument many times and I would be happy if you would enlighten me and give me examples,
The fact that it is written in the Torah not to murder does not mean that from there the Gentiles learned that it was not forbidden, but more likely that their natural morality bothered them and told them that it was wrong.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

This is a clear impression. Any such claim can be rejected with skeptical arguments. But look closely and you will see that people rely on the Bible and even quote it and use it in these contexts.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

It is clear that natural emotion also has weight. It is a complex matter.

כמה דוגמאות (לחנן) replied 2 years ago

On the 26th of Elul, 3rd of July

To Hanan, Shalom Rav,

There are basic values, not to murder, not to steal, etc., that were also accepted in pagan societies, either because they have a social benefit, or because humanity has some kind of common heritage as descendants of Adam and Noah. Even here there were "pricks," such as in Rome, where the accepted "entertainment" was watching cruel crucifixions and gladiatorial games, and "the act of the land of Egypt and the land of Canaan" that sanctified permissiveness.

But values of kindness and concern for the weak as a legal duty of man are unique to the Bible. See, for example, the article by Professor Daniel Friedman, “And remember that you were a slave” (on the “Da’at” website), which emphasizes the uniqueness of the biblical law that establishes helping the weak as an absolute duty.

Even the obligation of a person to educate his children, which was stipulated in the words of the Torah, “And you shall teach them to your children,” was made a “compulsory education law” by Yehoshua ben Gamla in the people of Israel, some 1,800 years before the modern world came to create “compulsory education.”

A value that has social and educational significance that has influenced all of humanity is the creation of a weekly day of rest. This earned the Hellenistic mockery of the lazy Jews who spend a seventh of their lives idle. But the world discovered that there is value in stopping the pursuit of materialism once a week and dedicating time to cultivating the spirit.

Isaiah and Micah embodied the aspiration for world peace in their prophecy about the coming days when “the Torah will go forth from Zion,” inspired by “nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more,” which is not without reason engraved in front of the United Nations building. The view of all humanity as “one family” is derived from the monotheistic view.

With greetings, Fishel

And as I mentioned, morality that comes not only from social benefit but also from a sense of man’s submission to his Creator It results in the person who behaves well towards his friends - being humble and not proud and puffed up by his material and spiritual achievements.

מה שקיבלנו בסיני replied 2 years ago

What I wrote in the last paragraph is perhaps embodied in the words of Chazal, whose sign to those whose ancestors stood at Mount Sinai is: ‘shy, merciful, and kind’. Not just a basic human morality embodied in the seven commandments of the children of Noah of ‘to be in order’, but a morality of mercy and kindness accompanied by the great humility of a person who recognizes his submission to his Creator and thereby the virtue of other beings. Honors ‘those who were created in His image’ and shows great affection for those who were called ‘sons of the place’.

With greetings, Fishel

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