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Fine Tuning

שו”תCategory: faithFine Tuning
asked 8 years ago

Hello Rabbi, I really thank you for taking the time to answer the previous question!

1) Is the argument that a small deviation in any value will lead to the non-creation of life agreed upon by all scientists? All the constants? From Wikipedia (fine tuning entry) it means that there are those who disagree. The rabbi studied the issue and this is how he came up with it?
2) I would be happy to have examples of constants, and articles in Hebrew that deal with the subject, because the articles that exist in this field in Hebrew are either by atheists or by Messianic Jews (who knows how faithful they are as a rabbi).
3) I have also heard that there are those who claim that life does not require carbon to form.

How good it is to have a site like this online, a real oxygen balloon after visiting the terrible atheist sites.


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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago
  1. I think so. At most, it can be argued that other values ​​will create other creatures. I have heard these claims, but in my opinion they are nonsense (I explained this in the book).
  2. I don’t know of any articles in Hebrew that deal with this. But I don’t think atheists are more loyal than any other religious sect. You can read Christian materials on this matter. I don’t know Hebrew. I think Abiezer wrote about it, but I’m not sure.
  3. Life needs chemistry and biology. If there is another form of life without carbon, it is possible (I am not knowledgeable enough to check this), but it is still clear that they too would require different fine-tuning.

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יוסף replied 8 years ago

Thank you very much.
Here, for example in the video here:

From minute 5:00 to 7:00 there is a delay of 3 fixed ones, unfortunately I don't understand English so maybe the rabbi could help me with this. Of course only if I haven't crossed the line of impudence and annoyance.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

I saw and there is nothing new here.
1. He talks about distances and temperatures, and explains that these can change. But the question is not about the values of physical states but about the values of constants. It is clear that different distances and different temperatures will only change the nature of living beings (meaning that in our place there will be beings with a different scale that will fit the other scales).
2. He talks about relationships between constants, and again it does not matter. It is quite clear that changing the values of the constants that will maintain the same relationship will allow the formation of beings identical to us but on a different scale. The question is about changes in values that do not maintain a relationship between them, or a change in the equations themselves (and not just different values of constants in those equations), or laws that are not equations at all.
3. He talks about constants that are determined with probability 1 by Einstein's equation. The question is who determined the equation itself. Again, his argument is within the laws and I am speaking outside of them.
4. He talks about the formation of universes with different constant values from black holes. The problem is that the black holes themselves were created from well-defined physics (=quantum and gravity) and the question of who created it.
After all, there is nothing new here. The usual nonsense.

יוסף replied 8 years ago

Wow, I really thank you, Your Honor!

דני replied 8 years ago

Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I didn't understand what you explained to him in the last section 4. What difference does it make that the multiple universes come out of a physical system? After all, there are infinite universes here (let's say) and that's it, the argument fell apart from the complexity.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Absolutely not. Black holes are the product of only one special system (a quantum-gravitational system of laws), and the question of how it itself was created is like the distinction between an argument within the laws and an argument outside the laws in my article here:
https://mikyab.net/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%98-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%98%D7 %AA%D7%99-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%99%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%99-%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95% D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94/

דני replied 8 years ago

And is it even scientifically accepted that rehabilitations are created this way?

דני replied 8 years ago

And in addition, if there are infinite universes that arise from quantum laws, then the subject of the physico-theological argument is the complexity of the mechanism for producing universes, and not the complexity of life in our universe, so that even a plurality of universes that arises from special laws refutes the argument from life, and leaves intact the argument from universes, a new argument.

אסף replied 8 years ago

I feel a bit like the Rabbi is using the word complexity in an unclear way.
In the Physico-Theological Notebook, the Rabbi uses the word complexity for something statistically unique.
But here suddenly the Rabbi refers to complexity in a different description. As if a complex action.

And as soon as the Rabbi uses this context, the question of God being complex and needing a component returns.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Danny, I have no idea (and I assume that in any case these are speculations and not findings). But as I explained even if they were – it doesn't matter to our case.
If you transfer the universes to monsters then the argument will be about monsters. It doesn't matter at all.

Assaf,
Why does it matter? Complexity is something that is not created without a guiding hand.

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