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Form of study

שו”תCategory: generalForm of study
asked 2 years ago

Hello,
Can you give me concise guidance on a form of study that includes what the Torah requires of a person in terms of the commandment to study Torah?
I just don’t know if I should first know all the Shas and only then look at the papal follies and finally become a posk or vice versa, learn a little bit about the subject and not be sure that I am the master of all subjects.
And what about repetition and knowledge of Torah in the context of stuttering?
And what about the midrashim and thought, etc….
I’m a little confused.
I am 32 years old and have been studying in a kollel for 10 years.
 

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מיכי Staff answered 2 years ago

I don’t think there is a ‘school answer’ to this, meaning a correct answer. Certainly not the same answer for everyone, but not even a correct answer for a particular person. Of course, it also depends on whether you are striving for teaching Halacha or for scholarship.
My personal position is that after you understand how the business works (and I assume that by the time you’ve reached ten years of kollel, you’re probably already there), there’s not much point in engaging in expertise, and it’s better to study ayun. It’s more useful and productive, and requires less repetition to retain it, and gives you no less expertise (actually more, because the study is more organized and its details are interconnected). In my opinion, midrashim and thought are a complete waste of time, and I wouldn’t touch that.

המפוזר מכפר אזר replied 2 years ago

If after you understand how the business works there is no point in engaging in expertise, and even before you understand how the business works, meaning in the years of study when you develop skill, there is no point in engaging in expertise - when is there any point in engaging in expertise?

י.מ replied 2 years ago

Answer to the Rabbi
Okay, but I don't really have anyone to verify the things I'm learning with carefully or at most only at the stage of the issue itself (i.e. what is written in the Gemara or in Toss or in Rishon So-and-so or unknown) since at this moment most of the students around me (who were not educated and of course do not advocate any value of autonomy) are stuck in Beit Yosef and the Sha'ar with their tools and the like, clear Mishnah and Haza'a. Only sometimes does the group's scholar manage to reach some happy light that of course is not taken into account in the halakhah (because according to them he was not accepted by the public like Rabbi Shimon Shkop who were too innovative or extreme in their views – I assume that here you [Miki] identify terribly) so I remain trapped in a kind of learning what he said and what he said and in the end I have a page full of terribly implied methods and this is what almost all of my public does. The only ones who don't do this hide so that they don't look at them and then lose the third or the excellent groom, etc. Enough Wait a minute, hint
In short, there is no point in studying with people who like to feel like they are living and not feel like others are living for them!
It's just frustrating when almost all the kollelim are busy with various recitations
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מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

To the scattered,

in the stages before the yeshiva, and in the yeshiva itself for limited times. The proficiency is not intended primarily to give you proficiency but mainly to give you proficiency in the Talmudic text.

 

Y"M,

You are exaggerating. Are there no kollels in the universe? I am sure there are kollels that study ayun. There will not be something exact according to the recipe that interests you, but you should choose something close.

י.מ replied 2 years ago

Maybe you'll open a group and I'll be the first to join
What do you say?
To do it without money
So that only the serious ones come
I'm ready to help

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