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General education as part of Torah study

שו”תCategory: Torah and ScienceGeneral education as part of Torah study
asked 8 years ago

Hello, Rabbi Avraham,
The rumor is well-known about the name of the student of the Vilna Gaon:
“I heard from him that whatever a person lacks in knowledge of the rest of wisdom, he will lack a hundred hands in the wisdom of the Torah, because the Torah and wisdom are joined together…
“And he (the Gra) commanded me to copy what is possible into our holy tongues from the wisdom of the world, so that they might be swallowed up and many would wander and knowledge would increase among our people Israel.”
Does it follow from the above article that studying psychology and philosophy (I specifically mention them because I am currently studying them at university) are part of studying Torah?
If so, why don’t you study at the humanities and social sciences yeshiva? (which deal with these topics a lot there…)


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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago
Until you ask why people don’t study the inner core of the spirit and society in yeshivot, ask why people don’t study things that are more conventional (like books on thought, mathematics, logic, etc.). In other words, what people learn in yeshivot doesn’t indicate anything. As for the matter itself, search here on the site for ‘Torah in Gebra’ and ‘Torah in Heftza’, and you will see my response to this matter.

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שי זילברשטיין replied 8 years ago

I understood that it is possible to study Torah not only through the Torah transmitted from Sinai (for example, through the Talmud) but through my own interpretation. Let's say I study Descartes' words about the Godhead - I study on a Torah basis, that there is a God, and therefore the engagement in this philosophical literature is Torah study (in Gebra). My question is what about study that does not bring me directly to a Torah basis but only indirectly, such as the wisdom of the soul, psychology.
Ostensibly, by understanding the soul, one can better understand the legends of the sages. But this is very indirect and not direct, because in study I am only concerned with understanding the person's cognition and emotions and not with Torah understanding. So ostensibly, it is not about Torah in Gebra but rather a means to Torah, which is indeed important but is not included in the commandment of studying Torah, just as my sleep at night is not considered Torah study because through it I will study more deeply the next day.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Studying some field in order to understand the sagas of the sages is at most a mitzvah device. As you wrote, you also eat breakfast and sleep so that you have the strength to study. That does not make eating and sleeping Torah study. Torah study is just something that is itself Torah.
And as for the sagas of the sages, I wonder to what extent their study itself is Torah study (perhaps in a gebra).

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