General morality
When you say something is moral or not, what moral values do you mean, the moral rules of society?
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I look at it in a simplistic way, maybe I'm wrong, I think there is no absolute morality if we put aside the belief in the Torah as such for those who believe so. For example, in pirate society, anyone who doesn't steal is immoral, so from what I understand, society is the one that determines the rules of morality, sometimes completely arbitrarily, sometimes relying on such and such values, and whoever doesn't align, society simply vomits him out of itself, so to the questions you answer with moral or not, do you mean your personal morality according to your view?
Maybe I've overextended myself unnecessarily, what do you mean when you say something is moral? What is consistent with what society perceives as moral?
I asked if you meant to ask whether there is absolute morality, or whether it is the product of social consensus. I answered that it is not the product of consensus. Are you now asking this again? You want me to write again: No. Here I wrote it.
The examples you gave are irrelevant. The fact that there are different moral concepts in different groups is really irrelevant. When there is a dispute, it does not mean that there is no truth. It just means that one is right and the other is wrong. What's more, pirates are a bad example in general, since they themselves do not think that what they are doing is moral.
What about pirates when they are children, what do they think?
So who has the authority to determine true morality? And based on what?
No one has the authority to determine. Who has the authority to determine whether there is a law of gravity? To reality.
So how do you determine that something is moral? You say that just because there are different moral concepts doesn't mean that there isn't one that is right! So do you think it's impossible to know who is right or wrong?
If you tell me that divine morality is moral, because God doesn't change, I'll understand, but that's not what you're saying. So what are you saying? Are you saying that there is a fixed morality as part of the world? What is it? How do you identify it?
By what do I determine that there is a law of gravity? By what I understand. I can know who is right: the one I think like. Morality is a fact, even if it is not observed with the eyes but with the mind. And if there are disputes, so what? There are disputes in science too.
And suppose that divine morality is moral (I didn't understand this sentence) and God does not change (why does it matter?), now you can know what is moral and what is not? How exactly? By what you think (except that you tell yourself that this is what God thinks is moral). There is no difference. Just as the law is what God wants, and yet there are disputes and different opinions. God does not raise or lower in this matter.
By the way, I do think that morality is what God thinks is moral. And the validity of morality is from the power of God. It really doesn't matter to our case.
So if you actually advocate moral absolutism, which is actually a theory/belief, then an atheist/agnostic cannot be moral in your opinion?
I don't understand what you want. There's no connection between anything here.
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