God left the earth.
You were asked about the miracle stories in ‘The Father of Israel,’ and you replied: ”I haven’t read the book… and so it’s hard for me to say. I have the impression that in most of these cases we are not talking about lies, but rather about naive interpretations of events and errors of thought based on a preconceived and enthusiastic assumption about the rabbi’s extraordinary abilities.”
If you haven’t read the books, how can you be so impressed? If His Honor presents a very complete and thoroughly revised thesis, that every story of supernatural intervention essentially contradicts the entire theory, then why didn’t you do serious research, meet with the people who told the stories there, examine the data, testimony, investigate how possible it is to explain this in terms of the laws of nature, etc. You can’t solve everything by claiming that people are retarded, and it only seems to them that everything is a miracle, and in reality it is more convenient for them to believe that way. There are important and serious people who are signed off on the things there, and at the very least you have a duty to clarify their stories with them, before you uproot all the biblical platitudes and all the words of Chazal on the subject.
You were asked about the miracle of Baba Sali and the apostasy, which repeated itself in front of many people, and you did not answer. You claimed that Rabbi Eliyahu lied in the video, by seeing the time the bones of the Chida were aligned. Rabbi Eliyahu!!! He knowingly lied openly. A fool. The miracles of the Six-Day War…
In short, my question is: Have you done serious and comprehensive research on the subject, examined testimony (at least from serious people), and indeed concluded that it’s all nonsense and lies, or have you not researched it? And if not, isn’t a serious person expected to invest energy in this, at least the same energy they invest in writing a book?
PS: Have you read the book ‘Above the Senses’ by Judge Yaakov Bezek? A man who had prejudices like Mr., and after serious research did indeed change his views.
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First, thank you for the quick response.
Second, I am indeed close to people who were close to Rav Eliyahu for years and some of the stories happened with them. Therefore, I probably have accurate and reliable information.
Third, the stories about Rav Eliyahu are only a tiny fraction of all the stories about all the great men of Israel, because such stories also exist in the Gemara for Tens, such as the Gemara in Tractate Taanit, which brings the stories about the bringing of rain by Amoraim, such as in the story of Rava and Aphra Hormiz, who is told that through prayer he brought rain during the period of Tammuz (maybe this is also a probability by the silver Judith?), and about the request for peace from heaven that Amoraim would receive according to their righteousness, and other stories throughout the generations, such as the Responsorial Psalm from heaven or the dream of the sky or the story of the light spreading. Maimonides also established a day of thanksgiving for the miracles performed with him, etc. And the stories of R. Chaim on the G-d and the stories of R. Chaim Vital on the Ari, as well as many, many more, testify to a private divine providence …and are formulated in Selichot in the phrase ‘he who answers…will answer’. (It seems that you do not say Selichot …or am I mistaken?)
But even if you claim that all the hundreds of stories are not true and some are from foolish Hasidic followers and some were invented falsely by the great rabbis themselves, and the rest are simply an error in diagnosis and understanding of statistics that are known only to experts in the field…(By the way, does it not seem arrogant to you to claim so ..just to confirm the thesis that you have decided is correct…?)
Here you can check. People are all around us, and even if not all the stories are true and accurate, but it is enough that only twenty or thirty percent are true, then G-d has not left the land. And perhaps it would be a good idea to serve these righteous people a little by asking how one deepens their connection with the Creator? And how do they pray?
And in general, the idea of an older person who needs less dependence is an idea that certainly has some truth in it and already appears in the literature of the sages of Israel. Only on the other hand, the relationship between G-d and his people is similar to the relationship between a wife and an aunt, as is well known, and this requires communication, and therefore a situation in which there is no speech and close relationship is a situation of lack and exile, and will change as appears in the Torah and the prophets.
Regarding the stories that are circulating, I agree that it is not obligatory to check every story in the world, but that there are many significant stories that are within reach to be examined, in our generation and in our environment, fairness dictates that they be examined.
Additionally, don't you think that the greats of the ages had knowledge that emanated from higher and spiritual sources, such as a glow, or a spiritual sparkle, etc., as Rav Kook writes, "We functioned in a higher light from the radiance of a higher light that is above every idea and thought. The heavens open and we see the sights of God." (Lights, thirst for the living God)?
For some reason you didn't answer me about testing the miracles of Christians and other witches, pagans and New Agers.
As for your last goddess, the answer is no. In my opinion they have no knowledge beyond what ordinary humans have. They could be wise and have better intuition of course, like other wise people.
As for investing time, I've already written my opinion/approach.
I answered. ”Regarding the stories that are circulating, I agree that there is no obligation to check every story in the world, but that there are many significant stories that are within reach to be checked, in our generation and in our environment, fairness dictates that they be checked.” First claim.
In addition, logic says that since the great men of Israel did indeed believe in the true faith, and it turns out that they had a real connection to higher and spiritual worlds, and were even men of virtue and virtue, there is much more likelihood that they were indeed answered, and therefore it makes the most sense to check in depth, lest there be a trace or even more of truth. As for the stories of Christians and other sorcerers, which are much less likely to be true, since they do not believe in the correct faith even according to your method, and therefore they are less likely to be reliable, and there is less point in investing time in them. By the way, I do not rule out the possibility of miracles and supernatural intervention even for the nations of the world, the use of unclean powers, etc., as is known in our sources.
From your silence I understand that you agree with what I said, and indeed you believe that all the stories and testimonies about the great men of Israel, from our own day to the testimony of the Gemara, are indeed lies and bluffs and beginners' mistakes. And hence our paths diverge. By the way, if you cannot believe the testimonies of your people throughout the generations, who told you that the standing of Mount Sinai, and all of Jewish history, did happen? Where did the scholars come from? After all, we are talking about a nation of retarded slaves who work for Baal Zev! And they do not know statistics... and, look, the masses have seen, God for the sake of Baba Sali, and for the miracles of the wars in our country.
Yochai
Not close to each other. In the case of Baba Sali, it is an interpretation of people (and not really many at the time) and the same is true of our country's wars. Indeed, everyone saw Baba Sali pouring out arrack and the victories of the State of Israel, the question is whether these things are miracles or not. In any case, I heard from a reliable person that, against such stories of righteous people, he can bring you many stories in which the blessing did not work. In addition, the fact that God helps a few righteous people is not a question for Rabbi Mikhi, who believes that normally there is no intervention by God and there is the option of sporadic intervention. In addition, not every story is as simple as it seems and certainly people tend to inflate and exaggerate. In short, there is no question here.
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