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God Plays Dice – Chapter 1‎‎

שו”תCategory: faithGod Plays Dice – Chapter 1‎‎
asked 3 years ago

Peace and blessings.
A friend introduced me to the rabbi and some of his thoughts.
The rabbi is indeed an impressive man and I enjoyed hearing and reading about him.

I asked:
In Chapter 1 of “God Plays Dice,” the Honorable Rabbi argues that there is no rational justification for adopting moral values ​​without belief in God. And that a person’s choice not to believe in moral values ​​indicates that that person does indeed believe in God in an unconscious way, or that he is making a clearly irrational choice.

In my opinion, the evolution of the individual does not end with the individual. I argue that the society of which we are a part is an organism that obeys the same laws of nature. Moreover, without the survival of society and the support of society for our personal survival, we do not have a good chance of surviving. And that there is a reciprocal relationship between the evolution of the individual and the society in which he exists.

If my personal survival depends on being part of a surviving society, adopting socially accepted moral values ​​is a very rational choice. Even if I don’t believe in God and am motivated solely by my personal survival, it is still a rational choice.

I would love to receive a reference.

Respectfully,


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מיכי Staff answered 3 years ago
There is a wrong assumption in your words at the conceptual level. It is a mixing of the existing with the desired. The question is not whether this is a rational choice, but whether there is a binding value here. What you are proposing is what is called a “naturalistic explanation” of morality, that is, basing it on facts. But the entire position of morality on facts (in your case: its contribution to the survival of society is a fact) is a fallacy, which is commonly called the ‘naturalistic fallacy.’ A naturalistic explanation explains how a certain tendency came to be in us (evolution created in us a tendency to do good), but it does not explain why it is binding. Think of a person who acts immorally. What can you argue against him? That he does not obey the tendencies that exist within him. That he does not contribute to the survival of society? So what? There are many tendencies within me and I do not obey all of them. Why does the fact that there is a tendency within me oblige me to act according to it? This is again a naturalistic fallacy, because the existence of the tendency is a fact, and a fact does not create a norm. And if you argue to him that he does not contribute to the survival of society, he will ask you why there is an obligation to contribute to the survival of society (especially if it is against my survival, or at my expense)? You are introducing some value here through the back door, and you have no justification for it (not even a naturalistic justification). I explained the connection to God in a debate with Prof. David Enoch, which is described in columns 456-457 , on the website. There you can also find a link to the frontal discussion between us.

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