God’s involvement in the world
From what I understood from the rabbi,
God does not intervene in the world, since intervention means a change in the laws of nature, and if we have seen that nature behaves as it should,
No involvement.
The rabbi further argues that there is no such thing as interference in the framework of nature because interference means that without the intervention, A would have happened and after the intervention, B would have happened.
But I ask this question:
After all, both in the Torah and the Bible there are many instances in which it is written that God, the Holy One, is doing something in the world,
(For example, the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart, the bringing of the Babylonian kingdom over the kingdom of Judah, the bringing of Cyrus to Israel,
David’s punishments due to his actions and many other examples)
Without there being any statement about any change in the laws of nature, but rather in human choices.
probably,
That this thing would not be seen in the land of the Covenant,
But simply as a natural selection.
The thing is, because it is written in the Bible, we know that there was divine involvement there.
If so,
Why not simply think that the Kaaba is intervening as it has intervened in the past,
Only instead of changing the laws of nature,
Will affect reality through influencing human choices, simply because there is no prophecy we will not know when, but divine intervention cannot be ruled out,
Since most of the interventions described in the Bible are of this type.
What does the rabbi think?
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In the hem of his robes we were spurred on, I hold on to him like a thorn, even in the Bible, most of God's interventions in his world are not like this, at least not as described to us. I think that even the example of Elisha alone has more to do with taking away the ability to choose from humans.
I understand what the Rabbi is explaining, but my question is this:
If we see in the Bible that there are many cases where God's action in the world is done through humans and not through a change in nature, why does the Rabbi rule out the possibility that today's intervention does not happen through humans?
When people today interpret the Holocaust as an act of God,
the Rabbi rules out this possibility by saying that there was no change in nature and therefore it was not an act of God.
The problem with this claim is that even in the Bible there are events where God's action was not a change in the laws of nature,
but in the Bible we see that He caused humans to act in a certain way.
For example:
“And the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them from His presence.”
Or
“Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had spoken by the hand of all his servants the prophets.”
Here are described events that from a human perspective would probably appear to be natural acts of choice,
but we know that it was God who caused them.
Therefore, the question arises:
How can we reject the claim that God acts in reality simply without changing the laws of nature but through the choices of humans?
Regarding Elisha,
I agree that there are examples of a change in the laws of nature,
I simply argue that there is another type of divine intervention,
such as one that affects human choices,
which to our eyes does not look like divine intervention, but we know from the Bible that there was indeed an intervention that caused humans to act the way they did.
I don't know what was unclear in what I wrote. I answered that and I have nothing to add.
How does the Rabbi explain the following verse:
“The Lord will bring upon you, upon your people, and upon your father's house days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah before the king of Assyria.”
Will there be divine intervention here?
Will the Lord take away the free will of men?
Does this happen naturally and does the Bible lie?
You can quote the entire Bible here (yesterday someone already started with that. Maybe you?). I suggest you start with ”And there was a time when”I heard”. I've already explained all of this many times. Search here on the site Divine Involvement in the World or something like that.
And also see the book of the confused, part 2, chapter 48.
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