Haredi theological soul-searching

Just a brief correction to your concluding sentence:
If I assume that the speaker (in this case, Rabbi Gershon Edelstein) is not a pathological liar, then he is speaking what he believes with all his heart. But whether he is stupid or not is irrelevant. Either way, if he is not a liar, he is probably speaking what he believes.

Grisha does believe this with all his heart, there is nothing to hope for otherwise, it is simply “false hopes”

A few things.
A. I emphasized that a person who believes that everything is in the hands of heaven, literally, except for the fear of heaven, that is, even a person who jumps off a roof, is in the hands of heaven, even if it seems like an act that occurred without intervention.

A B L My question was about the conclusion as to why this unsuccessful idea came to his mind, there is no logical explanation for this, especially if the jumper is a reasonable person. And in any case, here we must deduce the theological inference that something is wanted from him or from his surroundings.

For example, during the day there are countless drivers who break the law and talk on the phone while driving, there are a small number who are caught by the police, although statistically it is necessary that a number of people are caught, but it is not necessary that these people are caught, a person who believes that there are those around him who will be the one to be caught, concludes from this that something is wanted from him, Dog’ In addition, in a lottery, although it is necessary for reality that one of the participants will win, the question of why he specifically had the opportunity to enter this lottery, and in any case to win, is a question that is not related to the obligation of winning, and the very decision to hold the lottery, from his point of view, was to transfer the winnings to him, as if the world was created for me.

It is true that the hand of God cannot be proven from the lottery and from the policeman, but the one who believes that the hand of God exists even when it is not seen, sees in this a message, sees a person who is suffering and will scrutinize his actions, etc.

B. If you received the above, then you cannot conclude that the recipient of the report is a stupid person, and just as you cannot conclude that the person whose barrels have gone sour is a stupid person, even though it is reasonable to assume that there was a certain failure in preserving the wine and it was she who caused them to go sour. In any case, the reason he didn't notice that failure is what makes him think.

And anyway, I think that concluding that such a person is an idiot is wrong. You can disagree with his premise, but in his opinion, his conclusion is correct (especially if that person has a track record of making rational conclusions and is not a lying preacher).

C. Let's get back to Corona. From the perspective of the Haredi, the question is not what actually happened. He will ask his epidemiology mind about that. His question is not what, but why. Why did such a kind of epidemic come about? The Haredi's everyday behavior, which does not limit itself to the risks of Pico, is the one that will kill him. And here comes the conclusion of the blunder in his actions.

Why doesn't it make sense to conclude that way?

I didn't quite understand what the column you are talking about was about, about drawing incorrect conclusions, or about the Haredim again.

The Haredim issue.

The issue is what the column that follows us for good is, if the condemned are again the Haredim, in the sense of the fall of the Torah Hadad to the knife, then the full picture must be taken into account, does the essence of Harediism lead to its destruction, or is Harediism in itself a reality that does not cause harm to society as a whole, and something clearly unusual, which happens perhaps once every hundred years, brings them to a conclusion two weeks late, and this comes at a cost of a few victims, isn't it said that necessity will not be punished?
Should we take into account the Haredi person who sees the alternative as the loss of the basis for his existence, and is it worth it for him to pay the low price of the exception, and should we say that the benefit of vehicles is not worth it because there are also traffic accidents?

Sorry for the long windedness…
And thanks in advance.

On the 19th of Iyar, 5721;P

Hello, Rabbi,

The principle that God is more careful with the righteous than with others is not an innovation of Rabbi Edelstein. The Sages have already taught on the verse: “Tell my people their transgression and the house of Jacob your sin.” The scholars of Torah consider their mistakes as sins. While the people of the land ‘misdeeds are treated as mistakes’, who have a greater claim for their mistakes, who had to be more careful in interpreting the halakhic or reality, and as they instructed: ‘Be careful in the Talmud, for a Talmud mistake is a sign of malice’.

It is impossible to hang everything solely on the failure to strictly follow the instructions of the Ministry of Health, which Greg Edelstein was among those who firmly called for obedience to. And yet there are many Jews in all sectors who observed all the rules of the Ministry of Health and fell ill with Corona, and there are very many in all sectors who disregarded the instructions and were not harmed.

After all, Rabbi Yeshayahu Haber zt”l is certainly not suspected of violating the instructions of the Ministry of Health; And the residents of Efrat, who are educated and modern national religious people, who certainly obeyed all the instructions, and yet the city of Efrat was in first place in the percentage of people infected with the Corona virus.

The experts will analyze and offer one explanation or another, but overall the picture is completely unclear, and the effectiveness of all the quarantine and isolation measures is completely unclear. Just yesterday I read an article in which the governor of New York criticized the data indicating that about two-thirds of those infected with the Corona virus were at home and did not go to work or to the streets, and yet they were infected.

So in addition to maintaining health, one must also pay attention to spiritual relatives, and therefore Gregor Edelstein calls on Jews who observe the Torah and commandments to each do their own ‘spiritual home inspection’, because even he seems ’righteous’ relative to society at large – He must think that precisely because of his high Torah level, a much higher level of grammar is required of him in his actions.

With blessings, Sh”}t

Your Majesty, thank you for your wonderful words.

I wanted to ask a general question, and the corona served as an example of a daily topic. My question was whether, when there is a physical explanation for the phenomenon, one should not draw a conclusion about why the physical cause came to me, even if it came in a way that I decided against reasonable logic to listen to an expert, even though I am a reasonable person in general, and therefore Ramada wrote that I do not believe it either. And the things are flourishing, and I did not understand why, where is the mistake, the fact that you presented shows that even the forensic evidence is not always accurate because there are failures where the cause is not there and yet the result came even more strongly and more strongly.

Done.