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How do you stop regression?

שו”תCategory: philosophyHow do you stop regression?
asked 6 years ago

In essence, we believers stop the regression in the question of the first cause by assuming that a spiritual entity like God is not subject to causality, and that we come to Zion as a Redeemer.
The question is that we have no evidence that a spiritual essence is not subject to causality, and since this goes against logic [how could something exist without a reason that you provide], it must be assumed that it is not true.
Moreover, it cannot be said that spiritual forgetfulness is above time and therefore has no beginning and end, for we know that the soul and the angels, as well as the spirit of animals, are spiritual essences that were created at any time, and some are even completely cut off at times, so that spiritual essences also have a beginning and an end [- how does this fit with our knowledge of time?], and on this basis we assume that there is a spiritual essence that is its own cause and has existed for all time.


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
I do not assume this, but infer it. My assumption is that infinite regression is not an option. Therefore, there must necessarily be a first cause. But matter is unlikely to be a first cause (which is its own cause) – because in our experience, material objects are not their own cause, and therefore the first link in the chain is probably spiritual and not material. Mishal.

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אליעזר replied 6 years ago

The same improbability [in logic] that matter is not its own cause is that it is difficult to assume that another type of entity is its own cause [how, did it emerge?], except that with regard to matter we have ‘experience’ that it is not created alone, similarly with regard to the spiritual we know that it is not created alone and does not always exist [as mentioned in the question], and only in order to escape the difficulty of the riddle of creation do we invent that perhaps there is a certain spiritual type for which the rules of logic and experience do not apply, and is the cause of its own existence, which is very strange to accept.

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Eliezer, it's not so pleasant to talk to a wall. I said I'm not assuming it, I'm deducing it. That's all. I'm done.

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