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How many hours should you wait between meat and milk?

שו”תCategory: HalachaHow many hours should you wait between meat and milk?
asked 5 years ago

There are many customs and I’m confused, there is no family custom..

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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago

It is accepted among the jurists that in the absence of custom, it is advisable to drive for six hours. But if there is a custom in the family’s original place, one can also follow it. None of this seems very principled to me.

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

In my censored question, I asked what the original location of the family was and also what is the law for a family that has changed its location?

מיכי replied 5 years ago

You ask what is the original location of your family?
Regarding changes in customs, things are ancient and well-known. Originally, the custom was determined by the place and when moving (permanently) to a new place, the custom of the new place must be adopted. Nowadays, there is no custom of a place (because in the same place there are several customs according to origin) and therefore the customs are determined by ethnic-family origin.

On 24th and 25th of Tammuz 2011, a Jew from the ‘Commonwealth of Nations’ explained to me that in Russian family names are often based on the father's or mother's name. Usually the suffix is ov, but in a name ending in -a – the suffix is in, and so someone whose father's or mother's name was ‘Yona’ was called ‘Yonin’; the son of ‘Baila’ was called ‘Baylin’ and the son of ‘Slava’ was called ‘Slavin’. And according to this, the son of ‘Gorla’ Nicknamed ‘Gorlin’

Best regards, Sh”ts Kaelin

The American physician and medical researcher Prof. Robert J. Gorlin (1923-2006) was mentioned in the English Wikipedia. In note 3 there, a link to an English article announcing his death, which describes both his scientific achievements and his kindness, sense of humor, and photographic memory, through which he recognized and remembered each of his students before they even met. But I do not know what his family background was.

Best regards, Sh”t

And stand out for a long good life ugenia (Gena) Gorlin is a clinical psychologist and professor at the School of Psychology at Yeshiva University, specializing in self-change processes. Her blog has an article in English about ‘Corona and the Meaning of Life’.

Best regards, Sh”t

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Dear Sh”t, there are no Jews whose origin is from Russia, even before 1917…
Maybe on the myheritage website you can find out more details,
It is worth you to also inquire about relatives on my mother's side.

Best regards, Benjamin “Litvak” Gorlin

To B”G – Best regards,

Surnames were given to Jews by order of the authorities in the 19th century, when Lithuania, Byelorussia and Poland were part of Russia (only Galicia was under the rule of the Austro-Hungarian Empire). So the surnames in the areas under Russian rule were given according to the Russian language and under Austrian rule in German.

With regards, S”C Loewinger from the Kingdom of the Walls of Franz Josef

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Dear Sh”tz, the “settlement area” was not in old Russia, these were “annexed” areas, Jews were not allowed to live in Russia (except for exceptions here and there).
Benjamin of the M”bnik Gorlin

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

PS: Belarus (White Russia) and not Byelorussia (White Russia)!!!

To Benjamin, he said, “The Jewish settlement area was part of the Russian Empire until 1917, then a significant part of its territory passed to the Soviet Union, and the rest to the states of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia that emerged after World War I. However, the family names were given in the 19th century when the area was under Russian rule.

Regarding “Byelorussia” and “Belarus” it is the same thing, the difference is between different languages and different periods. In Jewish sources from the days of the “Four Lands”, the country is called “Reisen” (and there was also “Red Reisen”), etc., etc.

And so ‘Ashkenaz’ is ‘Deutschland’ is ‘Germany’ is ‘German’, is ‘Alemannia’, is ‘Neimt-Orsag, is ‘Teutonic Order, etc. etc.

Greetings, Schätz Lovenger,
a Hungarian, a Hungarian, an Ungarn, ‘Land of the Hungarians’ and ’Magyar Orsag’ etc., who is now hungry and going to have lunch, lunch Bela”z

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Dear Szc, a Hungarian, you probably don't speak Russian at home, so I'll comment on your words with your permission, the translation of Belarus and Byelorussia is as translated in my response above, “Rus” is not “Russia” but the Kingdom of Rus, the Kingdom, the East Slavic Kingdom.
https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A1_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%99%D7%99%D7%91

'רוס' היא 'רוסיה' replied 5 years ago

On the 4th of Tammuz 2017

To Benjamin, Greetings,

The distinction between 'Russian' and 'Russian' is a nonsense of Belarusian nationalists, which interferes with the connection between their people and the Russian people (see Wikipedia entry Belarus). If you want to be a Belarusian nationalist, you can Belarusianize your name to 'Gurlenko' 🙂

In the Middle Ages, all Eastern Slavs were called 'Russians' or 'Ruthenians'. Just as 'Kiev Rus' was (Today's ‘Ukraine’) So was ‘Moscow Russia’ and so on. In German, for example, ‘Russia’ looks like ‘Rosland’, and Byelorussia/Belarus looks like ‘Weissen-Rosland’, White Russia.

In short: ‘Rus’ = ‘Russia’, like ‘Haredim’ = ‘Haredim’ 🙂

Best regards, Szczecin Leivinger

Speaking of Hungarian. ‘Aria’ In Hungarian it is ‘uros-lanyi’, literally ‘Russian girl’. The origin is in Central Asian languages such as Turkish, where lion is ‘Arslan’. The Hungarians made a midrash for the name ‘Arslan’, as if it were a combination of two words in Hungarian ‘uros-lanyi’, ‘Russian girl’, after the lion's blond mane of hair.

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Die deutsche Übersetzung von Belarus in „Weiße Rus“ is jedoch fals

And in conclusion: Mark Gorlin's advice (in an interview with him on the Mensh website) is good: You don't have to have all the answers. The main thing is to ask the big questions.

Best regards, Sh”t

וחומר נוסף replied 5 years ago

Archival documents on the Gorlyn family in the US, under the title Gorlyn Family History on the ANCESTREE website

Regards, Sh”t

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Dear Sh”t, “It seems that the origin of ‘Gorlingen’ is from Russia” – See the response of Mahar”m Mintz, ref.
The family name is not Russian, so it is appropriate to strike at the apex of that Jew from the ‘Commonwealth’.
P.S.: Gorlingen – This is a village on the French-German border.

חן חן (ב"ג) replied 5 years ago

On the 7th of Tammuz 5771

It is clear that not every name ending in -in derives from the Russian language, where the person is called by the name of his parents with this suffix, such as ‘Beylin’. For ‘Beyla’ and ’Slavin’ for ‘Slava’, and ’Lenin’ for ‘Selena’ and many others.

It is clear that ’Benyamin’ 🙂 or ‘Berlin’ are not of Russian origin, and now you have shown that ‘Gurlin’ It is also not in the Russian sphere of influence, and it is possible that it is really named after the village of ‘Gorlingen’ on the German-French border.

By the way, from my Google searches I also came across Gorlyn as a personal name, such as: Gorlyn Anderson, and Gorlyn Hagenbaumer. It is possible that the village is also named after a person with this name.

Greetings, Loewinger,
A man from the Swiss village of Loewingen or the Chinese village of Loe-Wing on the border of Burma where Squadron 113 of the ‘Flying Tigers’ operated in 1941, and it seems that our origin is from the Levi tribe 🙂

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Dear, is “Lenin” named after his mother “Lena”???

וכן replied 5 years ago

And also ‘Goldin’ after ‘Golda’, ‘Shifrin’ after ‘Shifra’, ‘Rivkin’ after ‘Rivka’, ‘Rukhlin’ after Rachel, ‘Pirkin’ after ‘Mirka’, Elkin’ after ‘Elka, ‘Rukhamkin’ after ‘Rukhamka’, ‘Hikin’ After Chai’ka’, ‘Hawkin” after ‘Haw’ka’, and Hankin’ after ‘Han’ka’ and many others.

The rule is: that the suffix is ov, except for the name ending in -a, whose last name ends in -in/

Best regards, Sh”ch’ Kaelin

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Sh”t, you didn't answer my question, is Lenin's mother "Lena"???

Yossi Beilin's mother's name is not ‘Beilen’ and President Rivlin's mother's name is not ‘Riv’le’. And Rabbi B. Clemenszon's father's name is also ‘Kelman’. The origin of the family name is in an ancient father/mother whose descendants are named after them.

Family names come from the name of an ancient parent, or of a place of residence where the family lived generations before, or of a profession or a trait of one of the ancient ancestors of the family. Thus, the members of the ‘Gorlin’ family left the village of ‘Gorlingen’ hundreds of years ago, and the members of the ‘Schuster’ They left the shoemakers behind for many generations.

The surname of ‘Lenius’ was actually ‘Ulyanov’ after an ancient father named ‘Ulyan’. He adopted the name ‘Lenin’ which was found in the ’arsenal’ of Russian surnames. ‘Lena’ is a well-known female given name in Russian (it is assumed to be an abbreviation of ”Yelena = Helena’). And apparently the original ‘Lenin’ families originated from an ancient mother named ‘Lena’

Best regards,, Sh”C

r replied 5 years ago

Sh”t, you are a dead idiot. You killed me laughing with this thread. Of course this is not an insult to the content you write, but I enjoy reading your artistic writing.
PS And what is the explanation for my name?

To R – Hello,

Isn't your name mentioned in the parsha: ‘And the cascade of rivers that inclined to sit awake and leaned against the border of Moab’ – So Er’ is parallel to Moab’ 🙂

With greetings, Eti Molug

r replied 5 years ago

You're a cannon, you bastard.

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Dear Sh”ts, Boker Or, a few comments for your permission:
1) “And apparently the original ‘Lenin’ families originated from an ancient mother named ‘Lena’” – The origin of the name “Lenin” is from the “Lena” river, the ninth longest river in the world (4400 km +-), the name “Lenin” is a pen name, a pseudonym, and does not originate from an ”ancient mother” at all. By the way, please note that our informants had additional, lesser-known pen names.
2) The suffix ov means “of” or “son of” – For example, the name “Yuz’b” does not refer to a patronymic name, meaning that the father of the family (“ancestor”) was called “Yuz'” – “hedgehog”, but rather to its meaning “hedgehog”, the owner of the animal known in our language as “hedgehog”.

By the way, according to you, the name Stalin originates from an ”ancient mother” named “Stella” ?
Best regards, Benjamin

On the 4th of Tammuz 5771

To Benjamin – Hello,

‘Lenin’ is both a common female given name in Russia and the name of a river, so I cannot know whether the surname ‘Lenin’, adopted by Vladimir Ulaynov, derives from the name of an ancient mother of the family or from the name of the river. Indeed, surnames can be named after a parent, a place, a profession, or a characteristic, for example ‘Stalin’, the man of steel, as Joseph Dz’Vaghashvili saw himself.

In Jewish surnames from the sphere of Russian rule, I have shown with many examples the existence of the phenomenon: Elkin, Beilin, Gnesin, Dvorin, Dvorkin, Henkin, Ziskin, Haskin, Hanin, Henkin, Khavkin, Lipkin, Mirkin, Mishkin, Menkin, Notkin, Sirkin, Rivkin, Rivlin, Rochamkin, Shifrin, Sheinin, Sheinkin, Tumarkin – all of these clearly derive from personal names and nicknames.

This seems to be due to the fact that Jews were often also named in Yiddish after their parents. Unlike Jews of Sephardic descent, among whom surnames were common already in the Middle Ages – among the Ashkenazim there were a few shuls with a surname, but most of them were simply named after their parents, for example R’ Moshe Rivka’sh (Moshe of Rivka), R’ Baruch Yitelsh (Blessed is Yitel), R’ Moshe Yisrael’sh (Moshe of Yisrael) and so on. And when they went to the Tsar's registry office in 1811, the names received the Russian suffix ‘Elkin’ = ‘Shel Elka’, ‘Beilin’ of ‘Beila’ etc.

With greetings, Sh’Tz Donin (named after the Danube River 🙂

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Sh”t, we will not discuss too much, but for the sake of historical accuracy, “Lenin” never adopted this name as a family name, only pseudonyms, a nickname, as above, similar to Rafael Eitan who did not adopt the name “Rapol” and similar to Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu. And so on.
By the way, why are you not satisfied with the fact that his name derives from an ”ancient mother” named “Stella”?

לשאלתך (לב"ג) replied 5 years ago

To your question, following the discussion with you, I came across a website in French that displays common Russian first names, and I found ‘Lena’ As a common personal name (shortened from ’Helena’ ‘Yelena’), but I did not encounter ’Stala’, ‘Potya’, and ’Pushka’ as personal names.

As I have shown, the phenomenon is very pronounced in Jewish family names, and to the long list I have given we can also add Begin, Beskin, Witkin, Michlin, Perlin, Freidin, Friedkin,, Feigin, Feiglin, Sorkin. Even among Jews there are some names that do not derive from a personal name, for example: Horgin, Diskin, etc., but for the most part these are names in which the connection to the personal name is clear.

Perhaps the connection to the mother figure is more pronounced among Jews, in whose families there was much more respect for women, as the sages instructed a man to be respectful His wife more than his body, and so they all grew up on the words of Rashi, which says, “A man shall fear his mother and his father,” to teach that honor and respect for the father and mother are equal. The Jew who grew up on the knees of the Torah and the sages knew how to appreciate his mother, who educated him in the love of the Torah and good manners, and sang at his cradle: “The kid will buy goods, and my son will learn Torah.”

With blessings, Sh’ts

Even the mitzvah “You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk” contributed to strengthening the appreciation for the figure of the mother, and this will connect our discussion to the issue of the waiting period between meat and milk.

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lenin

Sh”t, shows a place for your reference regarding the origin of the name “Lenin”, you can save yourself a lot of French confusion.
PS: Stella is a very famous name, meaning “star”, see the entry Stella McCartney.
It is possible that Stalin's ”ancestral mother” was named Stella (star) !!!

B”G – Hello,

I have not encountered the given name Stella’, so it does not seem that the surname ‘Stalin’ would be derived from Stella. On the other hand, the names Lana’ and Lana’ exist, so there is also a surname ‘Lankin’ and ‘Lankin’.’Therefore, there is no dispute with the original ‘Lenin’ family, named after the river ‘Lana’ or the woman ‘Lana’

Best regards, Sh”C

also ‘Gindin’ It comes from the personal name ‘Hinda’, because in Russian the ’ is replaced by -j’. In total, I have listed about forty names derived from a personal name with the suffix in

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Speaking of Hinda, it makes sense to comment on a common mistake in the name "Zvi Hirsch". How does Zvi Hirsch relate to you?

And other examples of surnames derived from first names: Barkin, Goldin, Gitlin, Gindlin, Gershkin, Dovkin, Doltsin, Zlotkin, Ziskin, Khavkin, Tobkin, Temkin, Tobkin, Leikin, Levin, Malkin, Mishkin Mikin, Notkin, Maskin, Notkin, Simkin, Tzipkin, Chernin, Rokhlin, Sheinin, Shternin.

Regarding Zvi Hirsch, it seems that they preferred to call Zvi ‘Hirsh’ (=deer) and not to confuse him with ’Gazal’ 🙂 And just as they attached ‘Beer’ to Issachar and not the donkey. The honey-loving bear is appropriate for a Torah scholar who is obsessed with honey, and also bears are similar to bears in that they have no rest.

Incidentally, the names of animals are common only among Ashkenazi Jews. I assume that the Gentiles in their vicinity were named after animals they hunted, and therefore the names Ber, Wolf, Lev, and Hirsch were common among them, and the Jews were influenced by them.

Incidentally. The name ‘Bonum’ adjacent to ’Simcha’ was explained by the bearers of the Shul as a nickname for ’Benjamin’, and since ’Benjamin’ was also ‘Ben Oni’ – Add to their ’bonam’ the name ‘shimha’ for a good sign.

Best regards,, Hirsch LeVinger

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