In doubt, Ashian

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asked 6 years ago

Rabbi Michi Y.
If I don’t mind, I would like to ask –
Blessings of the hand. ‘Bei Minya Ashyan Tana Debbi, Rabbi Ami, Rabbi Ami, who is fasting, what should he taste? Eating and drinking are permissible for her, but it is not permissible for her, or pleasure is permissible for her, but it is not permissible for her.’
They doubted the fast (and perhaps the blessings), which is eating and drinking separately and enjoying separately.
Or in any eating in the Torah, then it is related to the division of R\”Y and R\”L, pleasure of the throat or intestines?
Thank you very much.
I wanted to ask for forgiveness. As part of one of the discussions in the response here about your behavior and your path, I wrote that you are not behaving appropriately in terms of your relationship with your friend, and I am repeating myself.
I would ask for your forgiveness, and if you could delete my comments here.
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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago

In ordinary eating prohibitions, the pleasure of eating is prohibited (especially according to the Maimonides in the opinion of Rabbi Abbahu in Pesachim that the prohibition of eating is essentially a prohibition of the pleasure of eating), and therefore it seems that tasting is prohibited by the law of Hashem, even if it is not punished. Although it is apparent that this does not involve the pleasure of one’s throat or intestines, and perhaps in the 23rd century it is considered the pleasure of one’s throat (the tongue generally includes the throat). But all of this is in tasting and emitting, but in tasting and swallowing it seems that there is the law of Hashem regarding the normal pleasure of one’s throat and intestines. Things are long and complicated, see an overview here: https://www.yeshiva.org.il/wiki/index.php/%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94_%D7%AA%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93%D7%99%D7%AA:%D7%98%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%9E Everything is forgiven and reserved for you, and if you wish, you are welcome to enlighten the comments. In my opinion, if a person feels this way, it is appropriate for him to express it and for it to appear on the site. Each reader will judge and form his own position. If you still want, I’ll delete it.

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איש replied 6 years ago

Thank you, I'm not sure these are the words of Rambam, but I'm not familiar with the issue, because even according to the law it is clear, doubt in tasting does not belong in the prohibitions, this too is tasty and evocative, since there is a pleasure for the palate.
Thank you also very much for the forgiveness
because you invited A'ir, who needs a little more patience and forbearance, to the questions.
Besides the moral level, which is truly important, there is also practice here. People who are faithful to the Torah and the mitzvot have difficulty accepting great people if they do not look good in their neighbor's eyes, but rather they are from another world, like a chaff and perhaps a shag, (sometimes this is actually impressive, but for someone on the order of magnitude of people like the rabbi, (pardon the flattery) it is very easy to appreciate (and perhaps admire a rabbi from the island of ignorance) Benevolent behavior does good.
A fox in the bushes of the forest came to tame its cedars.