Ishmael’s exile

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asked 6 years ago

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Does the rabbi recognize the concept of the exile of Ishmael? Is it agreed upon by all the rabbis of Israel, or is it an attempt to explain reality in retrospect?

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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago

I don’t know the concept. I also don’t understand what it means to “recognize the concept.” Either there is such a exile or there isn’t. That’s a question of fact. What difference does it make what this exile is called? And why does it matter if it is agreed upon by all the rabbis of Israel? The question is whether it is true or not. And why does it matter whether it is an attempt to explain reality retrospectively or not. If the explanation is good, then it is good, and if not, then it is not. Do you have something against explanations for reality? Or do you want reality to be explained before it happened?

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בר replied 6 years ago

The question stems from the fact that I have not been exposed to many Talmudic sources (I have not gone through all the Shas, books of Kabbalah, etc.) and therefore when there is agreement/recognition by many rabbis in Israel, I can assume with a higher degree of probability that the subject exists, and it is not a subject that just looks good but whose origin is not in the Torah.

Regarding the question of time, I asked this to understand whether this is a new concept in the world of the Torah or has existed for a long time. Compared to, say, the other exiles (mentioned in the Bible)

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

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