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Jerusalem Builder in Birkat Hamazon

שו”תCategory: HalachaJerusalem Builder in Birkat Hamazon
asked 3 years ago

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As a disbeliever in providence (not ruling it out categorically, but claiming that it does not exist at all), I omit all the requests in the prayer of “Yahweh”, but there is a problem with the blessing of food: the blessing of food contains requests that, if omitted, cannot be fulfilled, and therefore, seemingly, the only option is to refrain from eating bread. Is there a possible change in the wording of the mention of Jerusalem and the kingdom of the House of David that is not in the wording of a request, or in such a situation should one refrain from eating bread?
 


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מיכי Staff answered 3 years ago
I didn’t understand. And how do you get out of the YDAH while standing? In any case, if this is your clear view, you are not obligated to abstain from eating bread. You are forced to do so because you cannot recite the blessing (as the Gemara in Yoma says, “The God of these people has sealed the truth and hates that they should lie about it”).

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אקרמן replied 3 years ago

In standing, I do not go out of the way, but I have no way to avoid being charged. In the blessing of food, I have the option of not entering into the charge at all, hence the question.

מה הבעיה (לשיטתכם) replied 3 years ago

According to your opinion, in the past God intervened in reality, then it is permissible to ask Him to intervene again and cry out to Me, "Why have You forsaken Me?" (Psalms 22)

With blessings, Akiva Hananiah Halevi Schreier

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

It's definitely possible. But if it's a deliberate policy, there's no point in it. It's like asking him to lift the pork ban. It's possible and not unreasonable, but there's no point in it.

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

Ackerman,
So there is no difference except the ability to avoid. But even standing doesn't make you stand out because you change the form.
As I wrote, in my opinion there is no obligation to avoid.

haghvu replied 3 years ago

Perhaps part of the "intended policy" is that when enough people pray, or wish, or hope, or something similar, then the universe will return to intervene in reality and "watch over".

אקרמן replied 3 years ago

Indeed there is no difference, and unfortunately I can't leave standing but there's nothing I can do (even if I had said the words I wouldn't have left).
Anyway, what do they say after eating bread? Two first blessings or nothing or a free-form confession?

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

Say what you can.

פנחס replied 2 years ago

I have the same question, but for the sake of a prayer of equality, because supposedly the city is built and there is a blessing to return His Shekhinah to Zion. If we say that the builder of Jerusalem is the Temple, then to return His Shekhinah to Zion, what would be the point? So if we agree that the builder of Jerusalem is the city for the most part, even though the Temple is the important part, and perhaps to return His Shekhinah to Zion is the intention for the building of the Temple, you are asking for something that is impossible through nature, like asking to see an elephant with wings or a flying carpet. The site is thought-provoking.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

The gates of interpretation were not closed. The construction of the city includes both Torah and other active institutions (Sanhedrin, monarchy) and the Temple. The inspiration of the Divine Presence is supposed to return after the construction of the Temple.

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