Jewish thought and Talmudic research
Hello, Your Honor,
I wanted to ask what the rabbi’s opinion is on the opinions regarding the succession of the Oral Torah?
I had the opportunity to read the writings of R. Z. Frankel in the Mishnah, R. N. K. in Moreh Nebuchi HaZaman, Dor Dor and his followers, Rabbi Weiss, Geiger, etc.
I was not at peace until I read the books of “Young Rabbi” Rabbi Chaim Tchernowitz – The Talmud, the history of Halacha in all its parts.
A comprehensive description of the succession of the Oral Torah appears, in particular the activities of the members of the Great Knesset and beyond. Confronting the enemies of the generation and the attempt to be faithful to the spirit of the nation and the morality hidden within it.
I suppose the fundamental innovation in the book is the division into two trends that influence the course of history – spiritual and political.
I can’t help but think about how today’s great scholars don’t properly understand the Torah’s sequence, and in any case, this affects the entire way of leadership.
They showed me that Rabbi Kook wanted to establish an institution where students of the sages would learn the depth of Jewish thought.
http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/kitveyet/taleley/hohmat-2.htm
The Hari Fishel Institute. But from what I’ve seen of their current activities, they are not truly committed to comprehensive research on these issues.
I was referred to Rabbi Ezra Zion Melamed. But from reading his book on the subject of “Introduction to Talmudic Literature,” I did not see any real confrontation with claims or research, as he writes in his introduction – the book is intended for high school students.
I have not been able to find scholars today on this particular main topic – the succession of the Oral Torah.
I would be happy to hear what the rabbi thinks about the subject and whether there are any newer studies from the first researchers I mentioned, whose teachings are worth taking an interest in.
I’m not familiar with the research literature, but there are academic researchers who have certainly done worthy things. There is also Part D of Remnants of Fire that deals with such studies.
Basically it depends on what you are looking for. There is quite a bit of literature but each one is written for a different purpose.
If you are looking for literature that describes modern critical research you can find it in Orbach and Albeck's introductions. For a modern introduction to research you can read the one by Al-Thuthu, which I understand deals with this although I have not read it.
If you are looking for God-fearing scholars who polemicized (successfully, it must be said) with the old ‘Hochmat Yisrael’ movement (which includes Rank, Shir, Frankel, Shadel, Weiss, Geiger, Zunz and the rest of the gang) at that time there is actually the research literature that came out of the ‘Beit Midrash for the Rabbis in Berlin’, the most basic book on this subject that came out of there is Dorot Rishonim, the ancient book by Halevi, if you have read ‘Hochmat Yisrael’ It is also essential to read it, there is also Toldot Yisrael by Ze'ev Ya'avetz (although it is considered unreliable nowadays and I have not had the chance to read it personally) and the books of Rad'tz on the Mishnah. The Malavim also dealt with these in his commentaries and especially in the introduction to Leviticus.
If you are looking for modern, God-fearing scholars of the school that defends tradition from a research perspective, there is the comprehensive book that is a must for anyone interested in these topics for Inbal's reader:
https://www.mosadharavkook.com/shop/Torah-She'bal-Pe-2/
This is a real encyclopedia. There is no topic that he does not deal with. I highly recommend it.
There are also the books by Margaliot (I personally have not had the chance to read them) or by Korman (good in terms of concepts, but not in-depth and research in my opinion).
In short, there is no shortage of material. Specify what exactly you are looking for and we will be able to recommend specifically.
Thank you very much for the references.
I think that the focus is currently on Albeck's introductions, Halevi's first generations and Inbal's oral Torah.
I have already read Auerbach's Amonot ve Deot, which is very innovative but does not provide a chronological form of the development of the resident.
I am nearing the end of my degree as a student of Jewish Studies at Patucha. I have had the opportunity to get to know her books in depth, but I thought that there is an Orthodox response to the research and conclusions drawn from the authors I mentioned.
In general, I am convinced of the framework of development outlined by Frankl and Tschernowitz. Many tell me that there must be a substantive rejection of the conclusions by Orthodoxy, but I have not seen a proper response so far, only a rejection in vain.
There are also some. So it seems that indeed Halevi, Inbal and Albeck are the most suitable.
On the one hand, Inbal is more up-to-date and also encompasses modern research (therefore his rejections are stronger) and on the other hand, Halevi has the advantage that he goes through the claims of all the wise men of Israel one by one, according to the historical stages of development.
There is also the book Tora And Logic by R’ Chaim Zimmerman (a special genius to those who know him).
But- the book was never printed. Apparently a copy can be found at his grandson Rabbi Shneur Potash in Jerusalem
It seems to me that, despite his broad scope, Inbal's method is terribly apologetic, isn't it?
He is indeed apologetic in certain parts (and in others he is actually willing to admit his words). And if his basic bias is, he has real answers to many things, which he also brings from research literature and this data has great significance. I will give you an example, Jewish scholars disagree about the antiquity of tefillin. He brings an excerpt from an article that shows that the word “tetfat” in ancient Egyptian is a jewel that was worn on the head. And since our tefillin is not a figment of the imagination and that the Bible meant some parable, but the source of the halakha is truly ancient, he also shows that many of the annual concepts are adapted to the Hellenistic period and not to the Roman period, and much more evidence on other topics (the origin of the sermons, the origins of Kabbalah, and so on).
Believe me, I am not in a hurry to recommend books that I think are of a low level, but his book is very impressive and I would recommend it to anyone who reads it if they are interested in the subject, and even if they are not.
In any case, note that I asked the questioner before whether he was looking for critical research literature? Or literature that defends Orthodoxy with real arguments? And it was only under this rubric that I referred to Inbal and Levi.
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To the questioner: Another important collection. Gilat's book on the development of halakhah is excellent. The introduction to the Fourth Generation Shul is very important, Halbertal's book Interpretive Revolutions is fascinating. And it is worth looking among the high school of the Otniel Yeshiva for rabbis whose teaching method is based on orthodoxy along with accepting the development of halakhah as a deeply rooted faith process. Rabbi Negan and Rabbi Ariel may also have been the seer.
And the foundation of the foundations and the pillar of wisdom, the introduction of the Rambam to the commentary of the Mishnah and the Mishnah Torah. The ‘Machon Mish”Ha’ has just been published: ‘Lectures by Rabbi Yosef Kapach on the introduction of the Rambam to the commentary of the Mishnah’ Part 1. Also very important: ‘Letter of Rav Sharira Gaon’ and ’Seder Hakabbala’ to Meiri. And let the wise be wiser still’.
With greetings, S.C. Levinger
There is also Rabbi Eliezer Berkowitz's book Halacha, Its Power and Its Role in the style of Gilat. Although for answers to the 'Wisdom of Israel' it is undoubtedly Halevi and Inbal (and the first chapters of Albach). Incidentally, regarding Orbach, we are not talking about his book Amonot ve Deot, but rather his book on Halacha.
Thank you very much for the references, I hope to find a worthy confrontation in them.
I have already started going through Inbal, I must point out that in this context of the development of the Oral Torah in a historical perspective, there is not much confrontation there. The reference to the Oral Torah is always heard as a whole, a single title that unites all the Pharisees, grammarians, etc., it sounds far from the mind. As I mentioned, I am just at the beginning, only after the first 80 pages.
Regarding those who recommended Maimonides in the introduction to the Mishnah, the letter of Rav Sharira Gaon, etc., thank you. The sources are very well known, however, it seems to me that they present the faith in its entirety and proceed from known axioms. Maimonides does describe the Oral Torah in a completely different way in Mora Nebuchim than in the introduction to the Mishnah. I believe this is because he is designating the books for a different target audience.
I am looking for an intellectual confrontation based on evidence from the world of Talmud and research at the same time, in order to try to achieve for myself this important principle regarding the development of the Oral Torah, when the derivative will be the question regarding the source of authority of the Oral Torah.
I would be happy if there are also references to research literature on all types of development of the Oral Torah, not exactly Halacha. For example, the development of the principles of faith in the people, I really liked Kaufman's History of the Israeli Faith. In Jewish philosophy, I have only had the opportunity to read Guttman so far.
The "young rabbi" is not considered so highly regarded today; he makes sweeping statements and rarely backs himself up with evidence. Today's scholars have glossed over many of his words.
I would be grateful, Ariel, if you could direct me to those scholars or articles in which the words of a young rabbi were discussed.
The truth is that in examining his words I saw many sources and evidence. There are some basic assumptions, such as the division into politics and spirituality and the derivatives thereof, such as spiritual ones bringing converts closer and political ones distancing them, that can really be challenged.
In general, his explanations of the halakha of Moses from Sinai, the accepted Pharisees, and the ways of learning that developed from Hillel to Rabbi Akiva, are certainly explained in good taste in my opinion.
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