Keeping an eye on men

What is the definition of forbidden contemplation?
Is the prohibition also in the case that contemplation comes for a moment that he can postpone it or is it specifically a serious contemplation that would really desire a woman?

I don't know how to draw a line.

In the case of the pervert who is executed, it may have been a matter of exposing her in order to shock the perpetrator and tell him, "See what happens next." I do not remember if this is the case with every execution, and if so, this reason falls away (unless they wanted to gain another message of humiliation along the way). Illustrations of nudity are not unique to legends. Even in Dura Europus from the time of Chazal, Batya is depicted bathing in a river immodestly. However, these illustrations are very ungraphic and were drawn by Gentiles. It is possible that they did not pay too much attention. Indeed, these examples, as well as Rabban Gamliel bathing in front of a statue of Aphrodite, teach that they may have been more tolerant of this. On the other hand, perhaps there was no choice and the burden of the Gentiles did not allow for an escape. The Gra insists that all idolatry is described as prostitution because it is involved in sexual worship. This is scientifically correct. Idol idolatry figurines are also often naked goddesses. The Torah's struggle against pagan bacchanalia is also directed against the pornography of their time. If the Torah were given in our time, Moses would command to smash iPhones without filtering and write; ”And you shall not bring an abomination into your house”.

If free entry is permitted by Torah, how does it apply without reflection?

Good question. It is possible that the contemplation in this is forbidden, and only in the law of forbidden causes is there a Torah prohibition.
Another possibility is that if a person is in a state of contemplation, it is natural, then there is no prohibition of contemplation in this. See here:
https://ph.yhb.org.il/14-04-06/
The prohibition of contemplation is only when it is brought about by a night case or adultery. That is not the case here.

And you shall not turn away comes to explain the purpose of fulfilling the commandments, that “and you saw him” will lead to ”and you remembered..and you did..” and then as a result of ”and you did” there will be “and you shall not turn away”.

There is nothing special here that connects the not you shall turn away to nakedness. The whole matter of guarding the eyes is a distortion.

And whoever still wants to insist on this, then at least let him specify that a person is commanded to look with his eyes and then not to turn, that he should not follow his eyes. To put himself in a deliberate attempt. Exactly the opposite of how “guarding the eyes” is performed.

And in the book of Esach, the Lord commanded the blessing in the Asmich 5778

To the point, – Peace be upon you,

Job says more than this: ‘I have made a covenant with my eyes, and why should I look upon a virgin’, and even upon a virgin who is not a virgin (in whom there is no prohibition for the children of Noah) he would not look. And in general, what benefit is there for a man to arouse his lust for a woman who is not his wife, a lust that cannot be realized and from which there is nothing but the languishing of the eyes and sorrow of soul. ‘And he cleaved to his wife’ it is written, and not to another.

With blessings, the so-and-so

The prohibition against coveting is not related to guarding the eyes. Please do not invent things in the name of the Torah.

Mr. Nukat,
If you are a Karaite, then I can understand your approach (even if I oppose it in principle).
But if you are not a Karaite, then you should know that according to the interpretation of the Oral Torah, “You shall not transgress” is definitely a prohibition against, and definitely also pertains to contemplating and contemplating fornication.

What is a Karaite? And why would I be like that?

You forgot a small step, your interpretation of the Toshab.

You interpret the Toshab as if it were interpreting the Torah. And that is nonsense. The Toshab is not a commentary on the Torah.

On the surface, it seems that you fundamentally disbelieve in the written Torah and believe in your own interpretation of the oral Torah.
Serious problem.

Point,
For your question about what a Karaite is, see here: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%99%D7%94%D7%93%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%99%D7%AA
Why would you be like that? I don't know. There are Karaites in the world, so after you wrote something that contradicts the tradition of the Oral Torah, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that you are one of the Karaites.

I didn't understand what you were saying. The Oral Torah, as given to us by the Sages, states that sexual contemplation of fornication has an independent prohibition of “and you shall not transgress”, while you wanted to say that there is not, and you claimed that the verse “and you shall not transgress” is nothing but a result of the tzitzit commandment, without paying attention to what the Oral Torah says about it. This means you do not accept the Oral Torah (=read) or parts of it, or a third possibility – you were not aware of the prohibition in the Oral Torah.
Did I miss you somewhere?

The way you interpret what the Oral Torah states is your interpretation, not the Oral Torah.
The fact that the Jews said, "You shall not commit adultery," does not prove that they really thought that was what the Torah intended. It is your perception that is based on such naivety as if you are always told what you really think.
You cannot know what someone intended to say, or what they "really thought." You do not have the Holy Spirit. At most, you can know what they said. And we both know that and there is no argument about that.
You can ask. Were they lying to me? That is naivety. You can equally ask about the Torah, did it lie to us when it spoke about the serpent in the Garden of Eden if it was not really a serpent.
Did the Torah lie to us when it said that God spoke when in fact it is clear that God does not produce sound waves at certain frequencies. Or did the Torah lie to us when it said that God is angry when it is clear that God does not have passions. In short, there is no way out of it. It's always your interpretation and your perception of things. It all depends on your level of naivety in each matter.

Point, right. It all depends on the level of naivety. For example, I, who am not naive at all, understand that the main purpose of the Torah (and the Toshab) is to increase the eating of pork and ketchup throughout the world until complete extinction. (Are the other verses and commandments a lie? No. See the example of the snake in the Garden of Eden)

Seriously, maybe I am misinterpreting the Toshab and not accepting the Bible, but you are not accepting anything.

Point,
I understand that, contrary to what you say, when the Sages said there was a prohibition, they meant it sincerely and sincerely.
Maimonides also meant it when he listed “And you shall not turn” in the list of commandments as a prohibition that you shall not do independently.
Do you think otherwise? I have nothing to do about it. We will remain in disagreement.
(NB I have no problem with the trivial and banal claim that everything I say and think passes through my interpretive filter).

In the 23rd of Elul, 8th

To the point, – Peace be upon you,

When the Torah commands, ‘You shall not go after your heart and after your eyes, after which you go astray’, then this includes a prohibition on the contemplation of fornication in the heart and on a lustful look that leads to contemplation of fornication, as is the nature of a person who ’the eye sees and the heart lusts’.

In ’You are fornicators’ both meanings of &#8216fornication’ are included in the biblical language. Both the original meaning – sexual promiscuity;, and the borrowed meaning – Idolatry.. and

The common denominator of the two meanings of ‘fornication’ is: receiving a substitute thrill for the ’real thing’. In ’fornication’ as it means, a person receives sexual thrills that are not in the proper way of loving a man and his wife, and in idolatry a person receives religious thrills that are not through his connection with the Creator of the world.

And just as in the fornication of Ezra it is also forbidden to enjoy her beauty, as it is written: ‘You shall not covet silver and gold upon them– so in fornication as it means, contemplating the beauty of someone who is not his wife is forbidden. And the more a person anoints his mind with pleasure that is forbidden to him– the greater his pleasure from what is permitted to him will be.

With the blessing of ‘Have a good year’, Sh”z Levinger.

A.B., it does not belong to understanding, but to the fact that you want to believe that it is so. If you wanted to believe that it is not so, and found another way to explain things, then you would easily do so. It is not such a big change of thought. In total, an attempt to attribute intentions to another. It all depends on the level of naivety in each matter.

Sh”ts Levinger, that is, to make a tzitzit on the wing of the garment, and add an accessory of a blue thread there so that it attracts attention and we can look at it (obviously because it is aesthetic and beautiful and attracts the eye) and from that we will not look at other things. I accept.
But the mitzvah is still to look at the tzitzit. And if someone hides with his hand, he is supposedly inventing a new mitzvah that is not written in the Torah. And not to look is not a mitzvah in itself but a result of the mitzvah of seeing the blue thread.

On the 24th of Elul 8th

To the point – – Hello,

It seems to me that the blue is not just a means of distracting the mind with its beauty from bringing in the forbidden beauty. The blue is a symbol of importance that kings and ministers adorned themselves with, as Mordecai ‘went out from before the king in a royal robe of blue and white…’.

When a person is aware of being a representative of the King of Kings, then all his behavior should be representative, and even his gaze should be ‘target-oriented’ and not ‘squinted to the sides’.

With greetings, Sh”z Levinger

It is possible that the name ‘tzitzit’ Alluding to ’tsitz’, to a crown of glory. Even ‘tsidil’ can be alluding to ’greatness’