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Messianic and the myth of the Ya’abetz

שו”תCategory: philosophyMessianic and the myth of the Ya’abetz
asked 5 years ago

The Rabbi in column 62 cites the words of the Ya’avetz that it is more difficult for the wise to surrender their souls, and yet the Rabbi concludes that it is better to be wise, because this is the truth.
 
Is it even possible to surrender one’s soul when one knows that the Torah is uncertain?! [Not is it more difficult, but is it logically correct], and if not, to whom did the Torah command, ‘Even he who takes your soul, to the Amaratzot?!?!

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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago

It’s definitely possible. When a person goes into battle, is he absolutely certain that he’s right and the enemy is wrong? And what if he’s just a professional soldier?

נור replied 5 years ago

At a level of 60% certainty?
One must fight and one must not kneel down and prefer to die.

מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

Percentages are a subjective question. If you don't have enough confidence, it's unlikely you'll give up your life. So what?

נור replied 5 years ago

So why did the Torah say to surrender one's soul?
If I assume that the Giver of the Torah knew what I know, it is strange to me that he commanded me to do such a thing.

מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

I didn't say you are exempt from giving up your life, but you probably won't do it. The Torah said to give up your life because that's what you have to do. But someone who is not convinced won't do it. Someone who is not convinced at all won't keep all the halakha, not just giving up your life. What's the problem here?

נור replied 5 years ago

If there is no logical possibility of being convinced, it seems strange to me that the Creator would command me when He doesn't really think I will comply.

מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

Who said it's impossible to be convinced? You haven't been convinced (yet). Why did we prohibit theft if there are kleptomaniacs? Why did we prohibit homosexuality if there are gays?

נור replied 5 years ago

Does the Rabbi think it is possible to be convinced?
Furthermore, if I am convinced that the certainty of the Torah cannot be high, and I see that the giver of the Torah understood that it would be accepted with [certain] certainty, then the conclusion is -1 He is not wise enough. 2. It was written for his time 3. He wanted us to believe in it with certainty even though the basis for belief is low probability. 4. Other

מיכי replied 5 years ago

Our eyes see that it is possible. And don't you know those who are convinced?
I answered the rest. We have exhausted.

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