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Miracles and supernatural

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asked 7 months ago

Peace and blessings.
The site is really new to me and I may be bringing up points that have already been discussed and I would be happy to make referrals.
When it is said about a certain rabbi that he performs miracles or that observing a certain mitzvah benefits a person, is this something that can be scientifically proven if it is found to be statistically successful?
In general, is any claim of this type considered measurable?
Thank you very much.

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מיכי Staff answered 7 months ago

Why not? If there is a rabbi who performs miracles, examine it. For example, if he splits the sea, you can see it. If he guesses the number that will come up in the lottery, you can examine it (it is of course advisable to examine it over time and not just once, as it could be a coincidence).
There is no such thing as “considered measurable.” Either it is measurable or it is not.

י.א. replied 7 months ago

Thank you very much.
I would like to clarify the question.
I am not talking at all about miracles and things that are against nature, I am discussing an occurrence that has a natural explanation, but I want to give a spiritual explanation, such as all these patients were healed by the power of that rabbi's blessing.
A’ Can this theory be defined as a scientific theory that we can test in a scientific way, and if not, why not?
B’ If I tested it and got positive results that that rabbi is really very successful in his blessings, more than statistics, does this indicate that there are spiritual laws in creation, at least to the same extent that there are natural laws?
C’ Has a serious attempt ever been made to test, for example, the blessings of Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky in this way, and if not, why not (I am talking about the research people)?
Congratulations, Rabbi!

מיכי Staff replied 7 months ago

Obviously. You need to check that he achieves results that are statistically significantly above average.
Positive results will indicate that the person has special abilities. Don't know about spiritual laws and the like.
I don't know, and for good reason.

י.א. replied 7 months ago

Thank you very much for your comment.
Is the perception that there is no spiritual law in the world, as I understand it to be believed by scientists who do not invest in a thorough examination of this (I think I have no background in the field), with a reason for this (an example that has been disproven in experiments) or is it simply a lack of faith in these ideas and a lack of time invested in it?

מיכי Staff replied 7 months ago

No. It stems from the fact that there is not the slightest indication that such laws exist. Scientists also do not invest effort in testing whether fairies or dragons exist. Not every delusional claim someone makes is worth scientific examination. The burden of proof is on the one who claims that there are, not on the one who does not find it appropriate to test claims that are completely baseless.

י.א. replied 7 months ago

I thank you, but I really don't understand the answer. There are tens of thousands of religious people who believe, based on intuition, that good deeds benefit a person, and that is a delusional claim. Were all the scientific theories that have been proven to be well-founded claims, or would this have sounded like nothing more than a wonderful idea to a scientist?

מיכי Staff replied 7 months ago

They don't believe this based on intuition, but because they were educated about it. I don't see the fact that there is a group that is educated about something as a reason to start a scientific investigation. Pagans are educated about all sorts of things too.

י.א. replied 7 months ago

Thank you very much.
Is the ability of a religious family, especially an ultra-Orthodox one, to raise a family with many times more children than a normal family, and not only that, but also to marry them off (it doesn't matter if we like it or not, it's reality) something that makes sense scientifically, is it not worth research and in-depth examination?

מיכי Staff replied 7 months ago

I think we're completely exhausted.

י.א. replied 7 months ago

Congratulations on the effort.

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