Modesty, and currents in Judaism
I have a few questions, and I would appreciate it if the Rabbi could answer them at length, rather than in a concise manner.
modesty:
What is the definition of modesty? And how should a person conduct himself in his life in terms of modesty, because I’ll tell you what – if a person completely abstains from girls (in terms of appearance, not necessarily a relationship. I do think it’s not good for a man to have a good relationship with other women outside of his family, if the rabbi thinks otherwise I’d be happy for him to clarify this for me) as is often the case in the Haredi world. So a situation arises where if I (national religious) and he walk down the street and see a woman with a tank top/short shirt/pants/not something too revealing, but for sure yes.
And not only will it be difficult for him not to think about her or look at her, but her appearance will “turn him on” much more than it will me.
It could be because I “eroded,” so my question is, is erosion correct and desirable and the ideal, or should we make reservations and boundaries?
I would be happy for the Rabbi to clarify for me, based on what he knows, what he knows about the dispute between Kav and Gush, and what the Rabbi defines himself as and why?
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I understood what the Rabbi was saying, could the Rabbi in one of his upcoming columns deal in depth with the issue of modesty? On the “playfulness”, who defines the criteria for modesty, etc., because this is a very deep topic, which, as the Rabbi said, is often quite vague.
Thank you very much
Joining the request
I wrote it down before. 🙂
Regarding the topic, I wanted to know what is allowed or prohibited for a couple to display in the public domain? Is there a problem with walking hand in hand? Is there a problem with kissing your partner on the street?
I don't think there's a prohibition, but there are modesty norms that should be taken into account. Holding hands doesn't seem problematic to me, but kissing is a more intimate matter. It all depends on the time and place.
I just uploaded a post about modesty (column 499): https://mikyab.net/posts/77388
Shalom Rabbi,
You wrote that ”modesty is determined by common sense and the accepted norms in a reasonable society”. What happens in a society that is unreasonable in your opinion, like the Haredi society. Someone who lives in Bnei Brak and wears baggy pants, or walks hand in hand with her husband, attracts a lot of attention. So should one act according to what is reasonable at that time, or according to the place?
Bnei Brak is not a bubble, and even those who are not Bnei Brak enter it, and everyone there understands and embraces this (in reasonable doses). Again, there is common sense.
“Bnei Brak is not a bubble, and those who are not from Bnei Brak also enter it, and everyone there understands and accepts this (in reasonable doses). Again, there is common sense.”
It is true that there is common sense, but it is certainly not accepted in Bnei Brak at all.
According to this, should it be banned?
You expect a yes or no answer. There is no yes or no in these matters. If it is not acceptable there, then it is appropriate not to do it there.
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