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asked 3 months ago

According to the moral evidence , does it have to be said that there is a world to come for there to be justice?? After all, we see people who commit injustices and go unpunished here


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מיכי Staff answered 3 months ago
What does this have to do with moral evidence? I don’t know. Sounds reasonable.

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מנשה replied 3 months ago

I meant according to morality.

Rabbi, I remember you once said that it was completely unnecessary, precisely because if someone is already dead, it's just revenge.

מיכי Staff replied 3 months ago

I did mean reward and not punishment. Regarding punishment, it is necessary to discuss it, since if it is given in the world, then it does not achieve its purpose (deterrence in the world). Therefore, it is more reasonable to threaten and not to carry out. But then what is your point? There is no room for your question, since you assume that there is a point in punishing otherwise his wrongdoings are not rewarded. In other words, you assume that the justification for punishment is not deterrence but revenge.

בועז replied 3 months ago

What is the meaning of the division between reward and punishment? If we do not assume a reward goal for reward and punishment but only deterrence/incitement, then God should also pamper those who behaved badly with a large jacuzzi in the next world, since this is no longer known.

מיכי Staff replied 3 months ago

Regarding wages, there is a stronger intuition that it is not given just to spur me on, but because I deserve it. A kind of fulfillment of a contract. In contrast, with punishment, there is no meaning in fulfilling the contract because I probably won't want to be punished, and God has no interest in it either. Therefore, it makes more sense to see it as a deterrent.

מיכי Staff replied 3 months ago

I once wrote a similar distinction regarding the difference between a Baal Teshuvah and one who is in question. One can be forgiven for transgressions committed before the law, because this is a remaining obligation. But for one who is in question, God Almighty cannot erase his remaining right before the law. This is only with His consent.

בועז replied 3 months ago

Even the salary has no meaning in fulfilling the contract. I will not want potions (I will want a salary much greater than I deserve) and God has no interest in it either (what does he care about pampering me more?!)

בועז replied 3 months ago

By the way, there is a kind of paradox here. God is unable to punish in the afterlife, otherwise it contradicts his being moral. Maybe it is an inability of the kind to create a square triangle and therefore it is not really a limitation on him

מיכי Staff replied 3 months ago

In both posts here, we've already entered the realm of chatter. There's nothing immoral about it. It's just not necessary. And as for salary, I want it but I don't deserve it.

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