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Moses’ Prophecy

שו”תCategory: philosophyMoses’ Prophecy
asked 6 years ago

Regarding Moses, it is said that he saw an Egyptian man beating a Hebrew man. Moses beat the Egyptian and buried him in the sand. Rashi cites the midrash on ‘Wifan Kaa Ve Kaa’ – that he saw that no one would come out of him who would convert.

I ask what’s the point of this? After all, if he saw the future, he saw that he was killing it, and then it’s clear that he has no descendants…


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
You burst into an open door. I have written several times here that Moses saw a hypothetical future, meaning the present, and not the future. He saw that if he left him alive, no one would come out of him to convert. This is a deep observation of the present.

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יוס replied 6 years ago

I would be happy to link it. Why does A”A say that he saw in the prophecy what would happen if he did not kill the Egyptian? Why does it have to come to the present?

מיכי replied 6 years ago

That's what I said. It's the same thing. Seeing a future that won't happen is actually looking at the present (from the current picture of one's mind what should come out if the circumstances were such and such)

יוס replied 6 years ago

Okay, okay. Isn't that trivial? How do others explain?

פשיטא replied 6 years ago

“And he saw an Egyptian striking a Hebrew, one of his brothers”….”And he saw that there was no one”, at least the Hebrew man who was struck was there and it is likely that there were several other Hebrews there who watched what was happening, so why suddenly “there is no one”. And perhaps because of this difficulty, Rashi interprets “that no one will come out of him who will convert”.

Regarding “seeing the future” and other sorceries and divination: The notion that someone sees or can see the future is a childish, crude and foolish notion, and contrary to reason and the Torah. The Torah repeatedly makes it clear that even God does not know the future, much less humans. What does not exist cannot be known to Him. And whoever believes in sorcerers disbelieves in the Torah of Moses.

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Zel: He has no part in the Torah of Joseph (which was handed down to us by our rabbis who copied the rumor).

פשיטא replied 6 years ago

Was the rabbi's last answer directed at me? I didn't understand what was meant.

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Yes. Zel: It has no part in the Torah of Peshitta. My intention was to point out that you are making some assumptions from your explanation (some of which I agree with) and turning them into principles of faith and determining based on them who is trained in the Torah of Moses and who is not. So I pointed out that this is the Torah of Peshitta and not the Torah of Moses.

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