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On the Status of Mount Sinai and the First Part of the Trilogy

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asked 6 years ago

Rabbi Shalom, thank you for publishing the trilogy – as usual, I was very enlightened and enjoyed the “thin???” version of Judaism.
On your website, you more or less oppose the importance of studying the Bible, and because there is no information derived from it, but rather you usually draw the desired conclusion, I assume that’s why you don’t bother studying it much.
I was very surprised to see that you base your belief in Mount Sinai on the biblical text. I am referring mainly to p. 499 in the book: “Descriptions of the Exodus and the status of Mount Sinai recur in many places in the Bible.” For the answer, you are simply wrong. While the Exodus is indeed mentioned about a hundred times in the Bible, the status of Mount Sinai is almost never mentioned in the Bible (a search in the Responsa Yochiv project will prove it – 5 places for the answer). Although in most places where the Exodus is mentioned as a source of religious obligation – do X because you were taken out of Egypt – it can always be argued that it was important to mention the moral aspect of slavery and not the obligation in the covenant, but nevertheless, such statistical significance speaks volumes. It is quite clear for the answer that the status of Mount Sinai is a later addition.
How can one prove that something is a later addition? By referring to places where we would expect that if the status of Mount Sinai were known, we would expect it to be mentioned. The places where it is proven that the status of Mount Sinai was unknown to the writer are: (Arranged according to the clarity of the proof – I will provide the sources themselves at the end)

  1. Joshua 24
  2. Psalms 88,
  3. Psalms 11
  4. Jeremiah Lev,
  5. Amos B,
  6. Things,
  7. Deuteronomy 29.

In all these places there is: a historical overview of the Exodus from Egypt until the entry into the Land and a discussion of the obligation of the people of Israel to worship God without mentioning the situation at Mount Sinai.
There are three places in the NAC where it is proven that they recognize the status of Mount Sinai: in Nehemiah, which is a later source from the Second Temple period (as you cited in your book). From the story of Elijah on Mount Harb – 1 Kings 19 (the earliest source that is similar to the status of Mount Sinai – noise, etc., but does not explicitly mention the giving of the Torah and revelation to the entire nation) and from Psalms 68 – time unknown (David?) – quoting the Song of Deborah.
Regarding the places you mentioned:
The source is the book of Ezekiel – contrary to what you say – Ezekiel does not refer to the giving of the Torah at Sinai, but rather to the laws that were spoken in the Tent of Meeting – the clear parallel in his words is to the book of Leviticus 18:
(d) Ye shall do my judgments, and keep my statutes, to walk in them: I will wait for your God: (e) And ye shall keep my statutes, and my judgments, which a man shall do, and live in them: I will wait for them: and not for the standing of Mount Sinai.
The Song of Deborah – contrary to what you say – there is no mention of the giving of the Torah. The event at Sinai is taken as another event that happened in Sheir and is not mentioned in our Bible (the event in Sheir is also mentioned in the Song of Moses in the same context – God came from Sinai and shone from Sheir to Modi – it is quite clear that two Torah readings are not mentioned).
Therefore, it is incorrect for the Jewish people to base the Jewish religion on the giving of the Torah at Sinai. Moreover, from the Torah itself we see that the covenant and the Jewish religion began and existed even before the giving of the Torah at Sinai, and that even after the giving of the Torah there were other covenants (the Plains of Moab, Joshua, Judges, Hezekiah and Josiah) and giving of the Torah (a large part of the commandments were commanded in the Tabernacle of the Covenant and in the Plains of Moab).
In general, the reader of the Book of Samuel, for example, will see that they were not familiar with Torah law at all, and even their words were based on principles that are explicitly stated in the Torah, such as the prohibition of having a husband’s wife (Bathsheba, Michal, and Avshalom), the separation of the priesthood (David ate the consecrated bread, the Ark was brought to Jerusalem without a priest), you shall not make a statue in the house of David, and even classic incest (Tamar when she said that her father would let her marry her brother). And even the killing of children by a father following a vow (Shaul, like Jephthah, wanted to kill his son), and grasping the horns of the altar, etc.
And one last and somewhat impudent comment related to the beginning of my remarks and apologies – I don’t think you did the expected homework on this subject. If you had opened the entry for Sinai – Giving the Torah – in the Biblical Inch, you would have seen that the most famous thing is that Mount Sinai is absent from the historical overviews throughout the Bible and is therefore considered a later addition. Even if you disagree with my remarks – I would have expected to see a more detailed reference in the book to this subject.
 
Deuteronomy Chapter 11, 2-8
(b) And you know this day that it is not your children who have not known and who have not seen the law of Jacob your God, his greatness, his outstretched arm, and his outstretched arm: (c) And his signs, and his deeds, which he did in the midst of Egypt to Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to all his land: (d) And what he did to the army of Egypt, to his horses, and to his chariots. Who brought the waters of the sea in a storm upon their faces, pursuing them after them, and destroying them, as it is this day: (5) And what he did to you in the wilderness, until you came to this place: (6) And what he did to Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab the son of Reuben, when the earth opened its mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and their tents, and all the substance that was in them. At their feet all Israel is near: (7) For your eyes have seen all the work of Jacob, the greatness which he has done: (
Deuteronomy Chapter 29, 1-8
(a) And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that Jacob did before your eyes in the land of Egypt, unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land: (b) The great multitudes which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and the great wonders: (c) And Jacob hath not given you a heart to understand, and eyes to see, and ears to hear. To this day: (4) And I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your garments have not waxed old upon you, and your shoe hath not waxed old upon your foot: (5) Ye have eaten no bread, and ye have drunk no wine nor strong drink: that ye may know that I am your God: (6) And ye came unto this place, and Sihon king of Heshbon and Og king of Bashan came out against you. Call us to battle and we will fight: (7) And we will take their land and give it as a possession to Reuben and to Gad and to the half-tribe of Manasseh: (8) And you shall keep the words of this covenant and do them, that you may prosper in all that you do:
 
Joshua Chapter 24, 1-20
(a) And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel together at Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God: (b) And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the river from of old, in the land of Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nahor, and they served God. Others: (3) And I will take your father Abraham from beyond the flood, and will lead him throughout all the land of Canaan, and will watch over his seed, and will give him Isaac: (4) And I will give unto Isaac Jacob and Esau: and I will give unto Esau mount Seir for a possession: and Jacob and his children shall go down out of Egypt: (5) And I will send Moses and Aaron, and I will Egypt, as I did in the past, and afterward I brought you out: (6) And I brought your fathers out of Egypt, and the sea came, and the Egyptians pursued after your fathers with chariots and horsemen, even the sea was very deep: (7) And they cried unto Jacob, and he put darkness between you and the Egyptians, and he brought the sea upon it, and covered it, and your eyes saw what was I will make you dwell in the wilderness many days: (8) And I will come and bring you into the land of the Amorites, which dwell on the other side Jordan: and they shall fight with you, and I will give them into your hand, and ye shall possess their land, and I will destroy them from before you: (9) And Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, arose, and fought against Israel: and he sent and called Balaam the son of Beor, that he should curse you: (10) And I would not hearken unto Balaam, and he blessed you, and sent you away by his hand: (11) And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Kenites, and the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, fought against you before Jericho: and I will deliver them into your hand: (12) And I will send the plague before you. And I will drive out from before you the two kings of the Amorites, not with your sword, nor with your bow: (13) And I will give you a land that you did not touch, and cities that you did not build, and you shall live in them, and you shall eat of vineyards and olive trees that you did not plant: (14) And now let them fear Jacob, and serve him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods that they had served. Your fathers were beyond the River and in Egypt and served Jacob: (15) And if it seems evil to you to serve Jacob, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve: whether the Gods which your fathers served who were beyond the River in the past, or the Gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell; but as for me and my house, we will serve Jacob: (16) And the people answered and said, Let us leave Jacob and serve other gods: (17) For it is the LORD our God who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, and who did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way that we went, and among all the peoples through whom we passed: (18) And Jacob cast out Jacob and All the peoples and the Amorites who live in the land will be driven out from before us, and we will serve the LORD our God, for he is our God. (19) And Joshua said to the people, “You will not be able to serve the LORD, for he is a holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not bear your transgressions or your sins.” (20) Because you have forsaken the LORD and served strange gods, and have turned back and done evil. For you and all those who follow you, that which is good for you:
 
Jeremiah Chapter 23, 19-24
19) Great is the counsel and the multitude of the wonders, whose eyes are open to all the ways of the sons of men, to give to every man according to his ways, and the reward of his doings: (20) Who set signs and wonders in the land of Egypt unto this day, and in Israel, and in Adam, and made thee a name, as at this day: (21) And broughtest forth thy people Israel out of the land of Egypt with signs. And in Mophatim, and in Bid Hazaec, and in Ezroa Netoia, and in Morah Gadol: (22) And thou gavest them this land, which thou swarest unto their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey: (23) And they came and possessed it, and obeyed not thy voice, nor thy statutes, nor thy law, neither walked they in all that thou commandedst them to do, they did not do it, and thou calledst them by all This evil:
 
Amos Chapter 2, 9-13
(9) And I will destroy the Amorites before them, whose height was like the cedars, and whose strength was like the oaks, and I will destroy their fruit from above, and their roots from below: (10) And I will bring you up out of the land of Egypt, and will lead you forty years in the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorites: (11) And I will raise up of your sons for prophets, and of your chosen ones for prophets. For the Nazirites, the children of Israel have no such thing, says Jacob: (12) And you gave the Nazirites wine to drink, and commanded the prophets, saying, You shall not prophesy:
 
Psalms Chapter 8, 11-6
(11) And they forgot his works and his wonders which he had done: (12) He did wonders against their fathers in the land of Egypt, a pasture for sheep: (13) He divided the sea, and made them pass through, and made the waters stand as a pillar: (14) And he comforted them by day with a cloud, and all the night with the light of fire: (15) He opened the holes in the wilderness, and gave drink as the multitude of the earth: (16) And brought forth waters out of the rock, and brought down rivers. Water: (17) And they sinned yet more against the commandments of the Lord in the wilderness: (18) And they sought God in their hearts to ask for food for their souls: (19) And they spake unto God, saying, Shall God be able to send a messenger in the wilderness? (20) Behold, he hath struck a rock, and water hath poured out, and the sick shall wash themselves; and shall eat bread, and shall prepare a present for his people: (21) Therefore he heard, and was afraid, and passed over. And a fire was kindled in Jacob, and a fire also rose up in Israel: (22) Because they believed not in God, neither trusted in his salvation: (23) And he commanded ravens from above, and opened the windows of heaven: (24) And he rained down manna upon them to eat, and gave them of the fish of heaven: (25) He ate the bread of the mighty; he sent a man to them to the full: (26) He rode on the horses in the heavens, and ruled by his strength. Teman: (27) And it rained upon them as dust, and as the seas that fly on wings: (28) And it fell near his camp round about his dwellings: (29) And they did eat, and were filled to the brim, and their desire came unto them: (30) They did not sow their desire, nor did they put food into their mouths: (no) And God was angry with them, and slew them in their fatness, and smote the fat of Israel: (31) In all this they sinned. Yet we did not believe in his wonders: (33) And he consumed their days in confusion, and their years in terror: (33) If they slew them, and sought him, and returned, and worshipped God: (33) And they remembered that God was a curse, and God was a redeemer: (33) And they deceived him with their mouth, and with their tongue they lied to him: (33) And their heart was not right with him, and they believed not in his covenant: (33) And he is merciful, forgiving iniquity, and not He has destroyed and multiplied his anger, and he will not turn away all his wrath: (LT) And he remembered that in flesh he is a spirit that goes and does not return: (M) How much they provoked him in the wilderness, they grieved him in the land: (MA) And they returned and fled to God, and to the Holy One of Israel they smote: (MB) They did not remember his hand in the day that he redeemed them from me, O king: (MG) Who had set his signs and wonders in Egypt In the field of sheep: (Med) And he will turn their lamps into blood, and their drink into drink: (Ma) He will send among them the raven, and it will devour them, and the sparrow, and it will destroy them: (Mo) And he will give their grain to the destroyer, and they will be devoured by the locust: (Mez) He will kill their vines with hail, and their sycomores with blight: (Mah) And he will close their cities to hail, and their stores to the scoundrels: (Matt) He will send among them the wrath of the Lord. Evil and wrath and affliction are sent by evil angels: (n) If a path is made straight for him, it will not be dark from the death of their soul, and their life will be according to the word of the Lord: (na) And all the firstborn in Egypt went forth, the firstborn of the afflicted, in the tents of Ham: (nb) And he led his people like a flock, and led them like a flock in the wilderness: (ng) And he comforted them in safety, and they feared not, and the sea covered their enemies: (nb) And he brought them to The border of his holiness is this mountain, which he hath chosen at his right hand: (5) And he cast out nations before them, and cast them down with a line of inheritance, and the tribes of Israel dwelt in their tents: (5) And they fled, and said, God is high, and kept not his testimonies: (5) And they turned back, and dealt treacherously like their fathers: they turned aside like a deceitful bow: (5) And they provoked him to anger with their high places, and with their graven images they bought: (5) God heard, and was moved, and greatly troubled in Israel: (6) And he forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, and dwelt in the tent of man:
 
Psalms Chapter 11, 17-18
(37) And he brought them out with silver and gold, and there was none lacking in his tribes: (38) The Egyptians rejoiced when they went out, because the fear of them had fallen upon them: (39) He spread a cloud for a covering, and fire for a light by night: (40) He asked, and it came to pass, and with the bread of heaven he satisfied them: (50) He opened the windows, and they flowed out; they walked in the rivers of waters: (41) For he remembered the word of his holiness to Abraham his servant: (43) And he brought forth his people in the wilderness of Barna, his chosen ones: (Meaning) and gave them the lands of the Gentiles, and the labor of the nations they shall inherit: (What) in the past they shall keep his statutes, and his commandments they shall keep, if it be so:
 
 
 
 
 


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
Hello. I missed this question, so I delayed. forgiveness. It’s difficult for me to answer this detail, and I’ll comment briefly. The statement that nothing can be learned from the Bible doesn’t touch on the facts. Without the Bible, I wouldn’t know that there were Cain and Abel, that Abraham had a tent, and that his wife was Sarah. I was talking about values. Also regarding the status of Mount Sinai, the Bible is an anchor for the oral tradition, and without it I wouldn’t be able to learn much from it. I think there are other places where the status of Mount Sinai is mentioned, but that’s not important. Five places are enough for me. Especially since it joins the set of considerations presented in the fifth notebook. As a general rule, I mean that sometimes things are not mentioned for the most part. I wouldn’t draw conclusions from the lack of mention in one place or another.

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ק replied 6 years ago

Ben Anayim,
Why don't you add that even in places where Mount Harb is mentioned, it is not mentioned as something very significant, but as one of the things? For example, in Psalms 16:19 or in Chronicles 2:5. Or in Nehemiah 13:13, where it is also mentioned like this, and in the Song of Deborah it is mentioned more casually.
I think that if that is the case, it is a sign that they understood the situation differently.
In any case, it is not natural for the Rabbi's approach to care particularly about whether there was a Mount Sinai situation or a Egypt situation. The mere understanding that somewhere along the Egypt-Jewish axis there was an event in which we understood that God wants us to observe the commandments is enough. And regarding the denial of miracles and commandments, you certainly have not proven it and are not right.

It seems that each part of the trilogy was composed by a different source and only at a later period were the three parts added. Conclusive evidence for this is that in each of the discussions and responses there is a mention of only one part. For example, ‘Benaniyim’ only includes the first part, which claims the existence of the Mount Sinai status. In contrast, ‘S”C’ only includes the second part, which claims that the providence of God has ceased and says nothing about the affairs of the Mount Sinai status. No comments were found on the site about the third part, which concerns the renewal of halachah, and it seems to be very late 🙂

With greetings, Dr. Schatzius von Loewenhausen

פרופ' הומניום replied 6 years ago

Sh”t,
How do you understand the nature of the Mount Sinai event when it is mentioned little in the rest of the Bible?

On the 14th of Tevet 5771,

Peace be upon you,

At Mount Sinai, the covenant was made between God and the people of Israel, and they heard the commandment of the Ten Commandments. This fact was known to all, for the Torah of Moses is full of references to God's commandments at Mount Sinai and in the Sinai Desert. It was clear that the Torah of Moses commanded not to worship idols, not to steal, not to commit adultery, and not to murder. This was not the subject of debate.

The reason for the serious sins that Israel fell into was utilitarian. The feeling prevailed that it was precisely those who sinned who succeeded and those who followed the Torah who were "suckers." Some doubted God's ability to do good and evil; And some doubted that perhaps ‘God has left the land’ and whoever wants to ‘get by in life’ today must act like the nations around them.

Against this view, it will not be helpful to point out the fact that ’God commanded it. Against these views, it must be proven that ’God can do good and harm and that He actually does so. For this, the prophets often bring historical evidence from the miracles of the Exodus from Egypt, the people's forty years in the wilderness, and the conquest of the land, from which it is clearly seen that a commandment can also benefit those who listen to its commandments and harm those who transgress them. Therefore, the prophets emphasize this aspect in their rebuke.

With blessings, Sh”t

The arguments that the Torah was compiled from different sources are clearly refuted by the fact that the people of Israel were hardly united politically except for a short period, in the days of David and Solomon. Hundreds of years before and hundreds of years after, there were separate tribes and kingdoms, and then these tribes spread to all corners of the world.

How can separate peoples unite and create a common Torah that claims to give everyone a uniform history and laws? Who could make opinionated tribes abandon their opposing traditions, if there was no consciousness that despite the division and fragmentation, they all have a common basis?

How can it be that the Samaritans, who claim to be the successors of the tribes of the Kingdom of Israel, hold the same Torah that the members of the tribe of Judah hold with slight changes, when there was never unity between the Samaritans and the sons of Judah, and on the contrary, there was bitter rivalry between them? It is clearly proven that the one Torah far preceded the division, and the two factions could not deny the common basis.

‪eitan ronen‬‏ replied 6 years ago

To Rabbi Shalom
You didn't touch on the substance of things, which is a shame. You can always make general claims. But as I say, anyone who reads Joshua 24 (3 minutes) will understand that Joshua at least did not know the status of Mount Sinai.

To Rabbi Shalom.
1. I agree with your attitude towards the status of Mount Sinai at the beginning of your words, and I think I touched on this in my words about the Song of Deborah.
2. If it was possible to implant the status of Mount Sinai into the Bible (as I claim), I think it is easy to argue that the rest of the human exiles were also implanted.

To Rabbi Shalom, please read Joshua 24
Your second point regarding the Samaritans is wonderful and accurate and proves that the Conservatives are not Ephraimites but a sect of the Arab Rav (Ephraimite Jews and Kothites). The main house of God of the Ephraimites was in Bethel (as it is written in the Book of Genesis, and it went against Jewish tradition) and therefore Josiah burned the place to the ground and threw bones there, and the Ephraimites did not believe in a single temple (the second calf in Dan) if the conservatives worship only on Mount Gerizim – like the Jews who have a single temple - and Josephus already spoke about this separation of the conservatives from the Jews by Menashe the High Priest, see Adam Zertal - With Born…
But I really did not understand how the discussion again came to the sources of the Torah…

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Eitan,
I just read Joshua 24, and I really don't see the conclusive proof you're talking about. All of God's actions for our sake are described there. Mount Sinai is not our salvation or our concern, but rather an imposition of obligations on us, and perhaps that's why it doesn't appear there.
Beyond that, towards the end of the chapter we are required to worship Him, and the question is how we should know that there is an obligation to worship Him and how to worship Him. If there was no situation in which we were commanded to do so, it's a bit hard for me to understand this requirement.
And to the point: As usual, the Bible doesn't prove much.

14 Tevet 57221

The words of Joshua in chapter 24 are well explained according to what I wrote that the prophets are trying to convince Israel to serve the Lord not only because they made a commitment, but because it will be good for them.

Therefore, Joshua does not claim to the Israelites: ‘You have made a commitment’. On the contrary, he challenges the Israelites with the proposal to cancel the covenant with the Lord, if this covenant is ‘a burdensome one’ – you are allowed to go home and ’peace be upon Israel’.

What was true before the ‘dissolution of the partnership’ Joshua reminds them of the good they received from this covenant, and they “get the message”: We cling to it not only because we made a commitment, but because it is good for us.

The prophets emphasize this: The service of the Lord is not just a burden, but is “for our good all the days.”

With blessings, Sha’aretz

How, by the way, did Parashat Ya’z-e-Ephraimit become intertwined with the teachings of the tribes of Judah? And how is it that communities that adhered to the original teachings of each tribe were not preserved in all corners of the world? Who managed to create the impossible?

‪eitan ronen‬‏ replied 6 years ago

To the Shachaim and the Rabbi,
Yehoshua does not want to mention the covenant but only the good and therefore he makes a new covenant? What is the logic in this, what is the logic in making a renewed covenant without referring to the previous covenant?

To the Rabbi,
“Towards the end of the chapter we are required to worship Him, and the question is how do we know that there is an obligation to worship Him and how to worship Him.”
For the same reason that Cain and Abel and the three patriarchs and the people in Egypt worshipped the Lord, and in the same way. There are no 33 commandments mentioned there!

To the Shachaim,
“By the way, how did Parashat and the ‘Ephraimite’ come into the Torah of the tribes of Judah?”
Because our ancestors were more pluralistic than us and knew how to respect the Torah of others as well.
Regarding the rest of your questions - I did not understand

מיכי replied 6 years ago

Cain and Abel and the patriarchs were not required to work in anything that was not commanded (except morality).

Joshua offers the people the option of withdrawing from the covenant with the Lord, as if he were telling them, "If the yoke is too heavy for you, then you can go home."

In the Sinai covenant, there was a two-sided deal: "I will be your God and you will be my people." So there is room for understanding that there is a situation where the people cancel their commitment to keep the commandments of the Lord, and in return, the Lord also cancels his reciprocal commitment to the people, and each side will "manage itself."

Just as Joshua sticks a small "thorn" in the "Lord, Amen." The ideal that suggests withdrawal from the covenant is the fact that the people of Israel cannot exist without the constant protection of their God. Joshua proves this by mentioning the necessity of God's protection for his people, without which they cannot exist.

The argument for the covenant can be challenged and withdrawal proposed, but the utilitarian argument that the people of Israel need God in order to exist could not be challenged by the Israelites.

With greetings, Sh”t

Regarding the pluralism of our ancestors. For several kings, it seems that there was a political split, complete with struggles and wars, between the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel, except during the period of the ‘idyll’ of the House of Ahab, when Jezebel brought from Sidon a completely different ‘Torah’ in which Baal and the Asherah were worshipped. Maybe you'll assume that one of Jezebel's prophets created the Unified Torah 🙂

On the 12th of Tevet 5721P

There is no difficulty in the fact that the patriarchs erected altars in different places, in Shechem, Beit El, and Beersheba. The Torah itself explains that when the people reach the “place of rest and inheritance,” the worship of the Lord will be concentrated in the “place that the Lord will choose from among all your tribes.”

The patriarchs lived in a state of wandering and therefore could sacrifice in different places. But when the people of Israel reach the “place of rest and inheritance,” they will be required to find the “place that the Lord will choose.” Future tense, and this designation was fulfilled precisely in the days of David when the people reached political stability and therefore David does not give sleep to his eyes ‘until the middle of a place for’ dwellings for the knight of Jacob’ (Psalms 114).

And the place chosen in the days of David to be the permanent sanctuary of the entire nation, is precisely in a new place ‘in a forest field’, a place not previously chosen by one of the fathers or one of the tribes as a permanent place for the worship of God, because the sanctuary of the nation now being created must be a new place, which one’ will choose now, a place that none of the tribes will be able to claim ‘I have a right of precedence in’

With blessings, God

And you yourself, according to the assumption of the ‘deniers of the Bible’ That the Torah was written in a late period and that its writers allowed themselves to 'implant' it with tendentious transplants, how could they not include Jerusalem in every possible place. Something that would have served the trend of making it the center of worship wonderfully?

It is clear that all their claims that the Jews were forgers and false prophets who introduced tendentious changes at every step are suitable for German anti-Semites, but not suitable for factual reality. The Torah mentions many places where the patriarchs worshipped the 'God' and does not explicitly state which 'place the 'God would choose' would make it clear that the discovery of this place is an innovation that will only be discovered in the future.

‪eitan ronen‬‏ replied 6 years ago

Rabbi, how did Yehuda know about the commandment of Yevom? How did he know that there was a law to burn Tamar? How did Abraham learn that there was a strong meaning to his servant's oath?
According to the Law, ”
The argument of the covenant can be challenged and a withdrawal offered, but the utilitarian argument that the people of Israel need G-d in order to exist – the Israelites could not challenge.”
You did not answer. So why make another covenant? Why does what is done and heard in the book of Joshua help after what is done and heard in Exodus?

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Who performed the mitzvah of betrothal there? Judah performed a common act in his society, betrothal to a widow without sons. And burning Tamar, was that a mitzvah? Bizarre questions, excuse me.

In the year 1591, the sons of Jacob gathered together

To Ethan, greetings,

The need to repeat the covenant is explained in the words of Joshua in chapter 23. Joshua feels: ‘Behold, I am going today the way of all the land’. And he fears that after his death the people will turn away from the Lord and cling to the ways of the Gentiles, and therefore there is a need for a renewed gathering of the tribes of Israel in Shechem and a renewed declaration: ‘The Lord our God we will serve and his voice we will obey’.

In order to burn the renewed acceptance into the consciousness of the people, Joshua shocks them by placing on the table the option of leaving the Lord, and the people are indeed shocked and declare: ‘No, for the Lord We will serve. Samuel also sees a need to renew the monarchy before his departure and shocks the people by causing rain on the day of harvest, in order to internalize the need for a commitment to keeping the Torah of God.

Moses also expresses in the Book of Deuteronomy his fear that after his death the people will turn away from God, and therefore he gathers the people and warns them and repeats the making of the covenant on the Plains of Moab. Just as Moses brings the people into a covenant with God at the beginning of his journey, at Sinai, and at the end of his journey, on the Plains of Moab, so Joshua makes a covenant on Mount Ebal upon entering the land (chapter 8) and returns and makes a covenant in Shechem toward the end of his journey (in chapter 24).

No matter how sublime a position may be, it may fade away in the routine of life, and it is not for nothing that we repeat and accept the yoke of the Kingdom of Heaven upon ourselves at the beginning and end of the day, with the aspiration that our acceptance will be every day ‘as a new divinatory’, and so on…

With best wishes, Sh”t

‪eitan ronen‬‏ replied 6 years ago

To Rabbi. My illness. In your opinion, why did Judah want to burn Tamar? She was a guardian of the covenant that was only a social custom, so apparently Judah wanted to burn her only as a social custom. I don't know if he said for the sake of uniqueness, but to me, believing that he wanted to burn someone just for the sake of it, regardless of religion, sounds unlikely to me.
If your claim that the religion that commands burning someone is delusional, I agree.
In general, if your claim that without Mount Sinai there can be no religious commandments, all the religions of the ancient world that were full of commandments will prove it from the experiences of the giving of the Torah.

To the contrary. Moses mentions the Old Covenant when he makes a covenant before entering the land. You answer everything at length except the simple question. Why doesn't Joshua mention the covenant that was broken when he makes the New Covenant.

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