Prohibition of wine for oneself

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asked 9 years ago

Should one say Amen after the blessing of the Creator of the Fruit of the Vine of a Jew who drinks the wine with his touch (that same Jew drinks the wine for himself). And in addition, should one say Amen after a traditional person who says a blessing over eating foods prepared from kosher ingredients, but apparently the utensils are not kosher (there is no separation of meat and milk).

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מיכי Staff answered 9 years ago

This depends on the question of whether that Jew is forbidden to drink wine itself (I debated this once). Formally, it seems that he is forbidden, but in practice it is clear that there is no prohibition. In the second case, there is no prohibition on the food itself unless it is hot and swallowed from the vessels (by the way, if not – then there is no prohibition at all on such eating). —————————————————————————————— Asks: What do you mean by the phrases formal prohibition and practical prohibition? —————————————————————————————— Rabbi: Formally, we did not find that they excluded the person himself from the rule. But practically, it is unlikely that he is included (and that he would be forbidden to eat his own food so that he would not come close to himself?). A similar argument can be found in the Torah, Shabbat 4:1, where they wrote that it is impossible to prohibit a person from taking the loaf of bread out of the oven in such a way that he would be liable to death (even though formalism requires this). Common sense says that the formal rule must be qualified.

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מוטי replied 8 years ago

Does a convert forbid his own wine, which he himself would be forbidden to drink?

In the book of Tsitz Eliezer (part 8; 17; 18), and in the book of Yabia Umar (chapter 2; 14; 18; 19; 20; 21; 22; 23; 24; 25; 26; 27; 28; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 29; 30; 31 Both added another argument, that it is impossible to prohibit him from drinking wine, since a man, if we judge him as an akuma (who is rejected by wine upon contact), is not obligated to prohibit wine.

מוטי replied 8 years ago

Did the rabbi see what I wrote?

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

I saw. Chen Chen.