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Peace and blessings
I was asked a question, and I would be happy to hear the opinion of the Ketar Shlita.
There is a high school yeshiva, and Sarai planned a two-day trip to meet rabbinical figures and influential figures today.
The condition was that everyone would register (or one or two would not).
They took a vote and it really turned out that except for one or two, everyone wanted to.
This journey costs a lot of money, so, claiming “its cancellation is its existence,” the Rabbi suggested a single event where everyone goes to work to obtain the necessary amount.
Although there were three students who came and said in their hearts, “I didn’t come for the trip, ‘It’s a cancellation of the Torah,'” but I need the money, so I’ll go out on this workday…
When they returned, they organized the trip, and it turned out that those guys didn’t really intend to go on the trip because it was “abrogation of the Torah,” but rather worked for the money.
As a result, the trip was canceled, and the question arises as to what is the fate of their money and what they should do. After all, the Lord would not have released everyone so that they could make money, he released them in order to finance the Rabbinic Values trip…
What is the ruling according to the Qatar?
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The question is
A. Should these three be required to pay and complete the money for the entire class..
B. Did they act unfairly by going to work and knowing that it was not for work..
What does it mean to supplement the money for the class? They worked and received money for their work. Why suddenly give it to the class?! Permission to go out to work is also an educational principle and not a legal right. After all, they could also disobey the Rosh Yeshiva and go against his will and anger. Beyond that, I understood that the trip was canceled regardless of funding, simply because not everyone goes on it.
It is clear that they did not act fairly, in terms of the rules of the institution and in terms of canceling the Torah.
Apparently you are right because at first glance
a slave, all the work of his hands is his master's.
A student is not a slave, and the work of his hands is his.
But
Since he objected to the decision. The director or head of the yeshiva is entitled to fine him.
The yeshiva administration has the right to 7 good citizens in the institution, and they are entitled to impose a fine, as explained in the חמבעה סיבע בעל בעל האלה.
The question was what he owed, not what the Rosh Yeshiva could decide about him.
I also don't think the Rosh Yeshiva has a law like the Tovi Ha'ir regarding fines. A fine on the young man is a fine on his parents, after all, they are the ones who are keeping him, and the Rosh Yeshiva cannot fine parents.
A kind letter from Rabbi Ovadia to the rabbi who fined his son
https://forum.otzar.org/viewtopic.php?t=37535#p516960
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