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Rational…until Chazal – on the book “A Candle in the Midnight Hour”

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asked 9 years ago

Rabbi Michi, have a good week,
I wrote the following post on Saturday as a critique of the value of the virtues in Rabbi Aviner’s book:

1) Rabbi Aviner wrote a book on the subject of superstition and pseudo-science in light of Torah and science (I must admit that this is a good book in general…).
2) Throughout the book, the rabbi debunks many myths about alternative medicine, UFOs, false diets, unprofessional research, superstitions, coffee reading, astrology, numerology, etc.
3) He rejects any method, method, or theory that does not meet scientific criteria, and cites scientific articles to support this and thoroughly reasons the rejection. He despises people who believe in things that have no experimental proof or rational basis.
4) Ostensibly this is called following the truth to the end. Intellectual integrity from a religious person, a rabbi, an educator… until you get to the virtues written in the Gemara, and then something very interesting happens: the rabbi has to deal with virtues that have no known internal logic, that seem primitive and even harmful… and most importantly… that they don’t work at all. See link to page on the subject from the book .
5) Ostensibly according to the line he presented throughout the book, that everything should be scientifically tested in an empirical and rational manner, he should have written that these virtues are “vanity”, as he wrote about someone who opens an umbrella in the house, or who knocks on a tree, about someone who uses homeopathy, about someone who is afraid of a black cat, but what can be done when these virtues were mentioned in the Talmud, which is sacred by the Jews? And what’s more, some of the virtues were mentioned by the sages of Israel?
6) The rabbi used Rashba, one of the great early rabbis of Sephardim, and two important later rabbis to counter by using the following argument:
There are forces in nature, like the attraction of metal to a magnet, that at the time were not known how they worked—> But if we don’t understand how something works, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t work —> Therefore, the virtues should not be rejected.
7) The first part of this argument is true, just because we do not understand the mechanism of some force, it does not mean that the force does not exist. But the inference to virtues is clearly incorrect, because virtues do not work, or at least do not work most of the time, while the laws of nature work almost all the time (!), and therefore this inference is fundamentally flawed and even a child of Bar Mitzvah age can overcome the aforementioned logical fallacy.
8) In the end, the rabbi received the virtues, only because he believed in the Sages. He abandoned rationality in favor of total faith in the “words of our sages.”
9) I completely reject such an approach. A rational religious statement would claim that the Talmud contains a variety of statements on various subjects. On subjects related to halakhic law according to tradition (not according to interpretation), the rational religious believer can accept [if he believes that historically, the Talmud represents an authentic halakhic tradition], but on subjects of beliefs far removed from the Torah (couples, demons, etc.), on subjects of science and medicine, on subjects of strange powers of their kind, one certainly should not accept the statements without in-depth examination – and it does not matter who said the statements: Tanna or Amora.

What do you think about these things? Isn’t the Rashba’s argument very weak?
Best regards,


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מיכי Staff answered 9 years ago
I completely agree. The problem with the virtues is not that we don’t understand how they work, but that there is no indication of the very claim that they work at all. The Rashba’s arguments can be relevant to proven facts that we have no understanding of how they happen. There it is said that the lack of understanding does not mean that the thing is not true. On the contrary, if we have seen that it works, we should seek an explanation but not abandon facts just because we don’t understand them. Maimonides already wrote, and his words were quoted in a letter from his son Rabbi Avraham (printed at the beginning of volume 1 of Ein Yaakov), that the sages of the Gemara have no authority in areas other than Halacha. Others use the principle of “the change of nature” (see Rabbi Neriah Gotal’s book of this name), which in my opinion is nothing more than a polite rejection of the words of our rabbis (although Gotal strongly rejects this possibility). The only possibility for a rational person to accept such virtues is only if we are clear that they were transmitted from Sinai. In such a case, I can accept excuses that remove evidence, such as spiritual harm or future harm. I know of no source from which it appears that these virtues were passed down in tradition from Sinai or were given by some prophet. So where did the sages receive their truth? One of two possibilities: either from their own reasoning and experience, or from the sages of their time (just as today’s rabbis recommend medical methods based on expert advice and current scientific knowledge). But both of these sources are questionable. The science of their time was primitive and largely incorrect, and the sages’ reasoning or learning from their experience is also questionable. The sages of the Talmud are no more qualified than us to learn from experience or reasoning. Incidentally, it seems to me that even in the Gemara itself it is implied that they treated this as medical knowledge and not as a virtue above nature. Therefore, there is no reason in the world to assume that these virtues actually work, like any ancient science or subjective experience. On the contrary, reality shows that they do not work, and that is precisely why those sages cited by Rabbi Aviner needed excuses that distance their testimony (perhaps it will be harmful in the distant future, or the intention is to harm the soul, etc.). I see no reason even to fear these virtues. Furthermore, for the sake of justice, anyone who studies the issues they deal with simply nullifies the Torah for the sake of justice.

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