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Secular baby captured?

שו”תCategory: HalachaSecular baby captured?
asked 5 years ago

Regarding the prohibition of a Shabbat act committed intentionally, what is the relationship to the actions of secular people?
A. Such as preparing roads, etc.,
B. In things that are not appropriate for them to do, such as photographing events on Shabbat.
third. Is a secular person living in the country, and is he a classic secularist (not an atheist, for the record), a traditionalist, is he judged as an accident or as a captive baby?
(I saw something in the previous video in the Responsa, where Rabbi Edelstein mentioned on behalf of the Chazo”a that they have a law for a baby who was captured. But he also mentioned the issue of gazga, which is why I asked.
Thank you in advance.


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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago
A. A secular person’s act is a Sabbath act for all intents and purposes. The fact that a secular person is a baby who was captured does not change this. It is true that he is not intentional but rather a rapist/accidental, and the laws of an accidental Sabbath act apply to this (see C. Shiach). B. Keep in mind that some of these actions (like roads) were not done just for me. As for event photography, that probably wasn’t done especially for you either. C. I don’t know how to answer this general question. If in your opinion he really doesn’t think it obligates him, then he is a captive infant. A traditionalist is of course much worse than a secularist in this regard. A captive infant is a type of mistake (close to rape), since according to the law, he brings one sin offering for each type of sin.

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מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

Although according to that ridiculous video, the fate of the Mizronikins should be discussed more than the fate of the secular ones. Are they babies who were captured or are they mistaken (certainly not mischievous, after all they are not Haredi).

תם. replied 5 years ago

A. Thank you, I'll take a look.
B. We recently discussed the categorical imperative. Does it not belong here?
C. Why is a secular person who lives around religious people, and is not afraid that they are foolish fools, not obligated to try a little and see if they are right, and is he different from a captive infant who is unaware that there is Judaism, or who sees Judaism as just another religion of many kinds, because he was simply born in China, and does not see any belonging to this alienated people, whom he accuses in barely half a sentence of coming from there because his mother is Jewish.

Regarding the Dalits.
He sees the Mizrahi Jews (probably), either as fools who should be judged for their actions. Or as criminals for their appetites..?

ראובן זילברשטיין replied 5 years ago

Tam, regarding J’.
The baby is highly influenced by the education and values he received, a standard person continues in the path of his parents, even when exploring other paths.
And there is no greater proof than the absolute majority of people who were born religious will remain so and the same applies to secular people, it is clear that education has an effect.
Therefore, even if it were precisely the case of a baby who was taken captive among the Gentiles and did not know any Jews, the guiding principle exists here as well.

תם. replied 5 years ago

Honorable Harrar.
According to your words, there is no place for the concept of ignorance of the law does not exempt?

The guiding principle is different, and I referred to this, with regard to the traditionalists, a person who believes that there is a leader for the capital, and therefore is careful not to eat, it would be appropriate for him to clarify more things about which he repents in the Lord, therefore in my opinion it is obligatory.

Another matter that must be clarified in your opinion is what is appropriate to punish a person who acts according to what he saw in his home and did not think to be arrogant, the question also applies to the Nazi Germans, as well as to Arab countries and militias of various kinds.

ראובן זילברשטיין replied 5 years ago

Tam,
The concept of ignorance of the law is meant where the law exists. And it is a norm imposed on people who punish those who live in their society, because within a society that has determined for itself a way of life, all its members are expected to know the way of society.
Regarding traditionalists, the sentence is indeed a little different, and one must look more closely at the boundaries, divisions, and implications, I was talking about a complete secularist.
Regarding Nazis and the like, one must indeed look at each person according to their situation, indeed I do not judge Nazis, children, and the like, as the wisest of all people said, “He refines silver and refines gold, and tests the hearts of God”. I do not pretend to know the inner content of each person.

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