Since when is this messianic?
Since when does an extremist opinion become illegitimate because it is messianic?
What is the definition?
I will elaborate on my question:
Many opinions and methods were extreme at the time and probably relied quite a bit on expecting miracles from heaven for it to succeed, and they are legitimate, like Ben-Gurion, who admitted that he relied on miracles and whose name is quoted. Anyone who does not believe in miracles in the Land of Israel is unrealistic, and on this basis he established the state and the nation on the 5th of Iyar, despite the enormous danger.
And Levi Eshkol about the 6 days that are quoted by name, it’s not that we hope for miracles, we build on it.
One may also disagree with many of the opinions and actions of those leaders, but they certainly are not accused of being messianic.
And why is it that when I express opinions that are indeed based on miracles, they tell me that it is messianic, like the messianics of the First Temple who said to Jeremiah, “The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord,” or the bully messianics of the Second Temple who did not listen to Rabbi Yochanan and rightly claimed that there is an explicit verse in Lamentations by the prophet Jeremiah, “Your iniquity, O daughter of Zion, will no longer lead you into exile,” and therefore they did not act according to logic, but rather acted foolishly and expected miracles from heaven, and in reality brought disaster.
They are called ‘Christians’ in derogatory terms.
And they warn me that the ultra-Orthodox views are also messianic and will lead to the destruction of the 3rd Temple.
Since when will a path that is not so connected to reality, without miracles, be contemptuously called ‘messianic’ and is not legitimate?
Does the Rabbi have a Messiah?
I didn’t understand the context of the question. Messianism is a derogatory term if used inappropriately. Therefore, there is no objective and general definition for it. It depends on the context. See column 585, and in my daughter’s work on Messianism here on the site: https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=f18e4f052adde49eb&q=https://mikyab.net/%25D7%259B%25D7%25AA%25D7%2591%25D7%2599%25D7%259D/%25D7 %259E%25D7%2590%25D7%259E%25D7%25A8%25D7%2599%25D7%259D/%25D7%259E%25D7%2594 %25D7%2599-%25D7%25AA%25D7%25A0%25D7%2595%25D7%25A2%25D7%2594-%25D7%259E%25D7 %25A9%25D7%2599%25D7%2597%25D7%2599%25D7%25AA-%25D7%2599%25D7%2599%25D7%25A9 %25D7%2595%25D7%259D-%25D7%259C%25D7%259E%25D7%25A7%25D7%25A8%25D7%2594-%25D7 %25A9%25D7%259C-%25D7%2594%25D7%25A6%25D7%2599%25D7%2595%25D7%25A0/&sa=U&ved =2ahUKEwjarN7E9uSDAxUMTqQEHW94BHoQFnoECAgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3KSdb1TTMQWrPYmZlW-8ex
I call Smotritz and his friends messianics because the consideration of the complete Land of Israel as part of the process for complete redemption prevails over everything for them.
If it is said and done, there will be a process for true peace with the Palestinians, it is clear to me that Smotritz will oppose it, even if the accepted assumption is that it will lead to true security. Since for Smotritz the central consideration is the complete Land of Israel, and in the name of this he is willing to distort his concepts of security and economy, while telling stories that if the Land of Israel is entirely in Israeli hands, then it will certainly lead us to happiness and peace.
I do not think that he is evil who wants to endanger us all, but is simply a prisoner of this concept.
And the thing is that Smotritz gives the impression of a serious guy who delve into the material, but again, we all know what he will answer to any question about territories before it is even asked.
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