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Studying Physics on Tisha B’Av

שו”תCategory: HalachaStudying Physics on Tisha B’Av
asked 8 years ago

Hello Rabbi. I wanted to know what the Rabbi’s opinion is on this subject. I have heard that some prohibit it because it distracts from mourning (and therefore also from mourning). Therefore, reading newspapers and fascinating books is also prohibited. And so it turns out that the only thing that is permitted on Tisha B’Av is sleeping or studying Torah in non-joyful matters, even though in principle Torah study is prohibited in the Old Testament (because “the commandments of God are upright, making the heart rejoice…” meaning that the study itself is joyful regardless of the content. Which also affects the way in which sad matters are studied – it is forbidden to delve into them, etc.). Thus, it turns out strangely that a person will study Torah more on Tisha B’Av than on a regular day, on a day when in principle Torah study is prohibited…
I have indeed been following Rabbi Melamed for two years now, which does prohibit it, until I reach conclusions on the matter – but it is very difficult for me because I have to distract myself from the fast itself, which is difficult for me.
So what does the Rabbi think is a distraction from mourning?: Is it like a distraction from tefillin (which is forbidden)? A distraction for repeated washing of hands (which I have heard said is expressed only in the speech between the washing and the blessing over the bread and in no other way)?
I have some thoughts on the subject, but I would love to hear the Rabbi’s opinion.
Thanks in advance.


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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago
In principle, you are not supposed to study Torah on sad things, but rather to think about the destruction and its meanings. Their mother allowed studying on issues of the destruction, but I think it is permitted not because of the sadness in it but more because it is a preoccupation with the destruction that does not distract from mourning. Sad issues unrelated to the destruction, such as who and how to discuss stoning punishments, were not allowed to be studied. Although the column Tekand brought the opinion of the Ramban who permitted studying Baraita Drish and saying Qurbanot because it is part of the prayer. And they have already wondered about this permission. And in my opinion, it is permissible, since if one is engaged in prayer, there is no distraction from mourning here (no more than the prayer itself). Although the Gemara in Taanit states that it is also permissible to study Job (and the laments and matters of destruction in Jeremiah), and seemingly means that even just sad things are permissible to study even if they are not matters of destruction. And perhaps there is some connection between Job’s ideas about destruction and the Tzla. Regarding washing hands, distraction is a break between one thing and another. In mourning, it is not a break between two things but a deviation of thought in a direction other than desired. It is not exactly the same thing. Anyway, the question is what do you manage to do. If the alternative is to do worthless things or just sleep, in my opinion it is certainly possible to study physics or read. Sleep is also a distraction from grief. If it weren’t for Demistipina, I would also allow studying Torah.

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אורן replied 8 years ago

Given that complete work is permitted on Tisha B'Av (except in places where it is customary not to do work, where it is prohibited due to custom), it seems to mean that there is no prohibition at all on distracting the mind from mourning, and in any case, all mundane matters such as physics should simply be permitted to be studied, right?

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Not sure. Doing work is no different from praying in the sense that there are occupations that are legitimate in themselves and therefore not considered a distraction (as I wrote about the Ramban's permission to recite Qurbanot in prayer). Not because there is no distraction there, but because they are considered a necessity for life that we are not required to give up. Like the permission to work or rest and relax without it being considered abrogation of the Torah.

אילון replied 8 years ago

Regardless of the actual law, is it in the Rabbi's opinion that even a regular mourner should deal with the meanings of his own personal mourning? It seems strange to me that seven days (according to the Rabbis) should deal with this. Either one day is enough or seven days certainly won't be enough. It also seems a bit like mourning is a state of mind, like having tefillin on you and you are aware of it (and that's why you behave differently when they are on you - it's not just the feeling of a weight on your head). According to this, there is nothing to distract the mind in the Bible because most people don't mourn in their hearts (and quite rightly so - it's not appropriate to mourn in your heart for something you never lost because you never had it, despite the well-known vorts of each year, some of which are justified, but vorts are not out of the question. Ultimately, someone who was born blind should not mourn for the lack of sight, even if there are those who do see).

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

I think that at least on a practical level, there is no point in comparing Tev (=old mourning) to regular mourning (=new mourning). In Tev we are supposed to internalize the mourning and try to experience it, whereas in new mourning we have mourning and we are supposed to deal with it (Begher HaChaim explains that the laws of mourning essentially came to set boundaries so that we do not overdo the mourning). Therefore, I think that in new mourning, distraction is not really relevant. On the contrary, a person by nature will not distract himself.

אורן replied 8 years ago

If we weren't required to give up a necessity of life like work due to fear of distraction, why were we required to give it up when the local custom is not to do work?

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

On the contrary, if it is the custom of the place, then apparently from their perspective it is not such a fundamental need or such a serious requirement, and in any case, what a distraction it is to prohibit it. I explained that it is indeed a distraction, but that fundamental needs (and also prayer, which is a fundamental religious need) are enough for us not to demand that we not be distracted by it.

אורן replied 8 years ago

But according to this, it seems that if someone lives in a place where it is customary not to do work, but for him work is a fundamental necessity, then for him it will be permissible, and vice versa, someone who lives in a place where it is customary to do work, but for him it is not such a fundamental necessity, then for him it will be forbidden.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Not necessarily, because in Halacha (like any normative system) everyone's opinion is irrelevant. The law is determined according to the reasonable person in that environment.

אורן replied 8 years ago

One could perhaps also bring evidence from the permission to sleep. Since sleep was permitted during the month of Tabernacles, which is a distraction from mourning, any occupation that is similar to sleep in terms of its distraction is also permitted, that is, any secular occupation.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Indeed, see the last paragraph of my first message. Necessary sleep is like prayer in this regard. And unnecessary sleep (only because there is nothing to do instead) is certainly no better than studying Torah.

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