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Substantive authority and formal authority

שו”תCategory: philosophySubstantive authority and formal authority
asked 5 years ago

The rabbi writes in his book “Two Carts and a Balloon” that halakhic authority is intrinsic in origin, and from the intrinsic that later generations felt towards the earlier generations they also established formal authority. The rabbi explains there that the intrinsic nature of the sages stemmed from the fact that the intuition of the sages in the past was stronger than the intuition of the later generations due to the development of analytics, which caused a decline in intuitive ability.

In the trilogy, the rabbi writes that the sages have formal authority regarding the field of halakhah.

I asked the rabbi in one of the classes the past two weeks why science is developing while Torah study has declined, since both use intuition. The rabbi explained that the difference is that in science they started using empiricism and that is what caused all the developments.

My question is – although in matters of science there is no reason to listen to the words of the sages, is it not necessary to listen to the words of the sages in matters of spiritual facts? In these matters there is no empiricism and therefore supposedly we should listen to them because they had a stronger intuition. Perhaps in the matter of providence this is not the case according to the Rabbi’s method because there was a decline in providence with the progress of the generations, but in spiritual facts supposedly we are supposed to listen to the sages because of their essential authority..?


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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago
I don’t think so. I know of no indication that the sages have a better spiritual perception. In the halacha received at Sinai, it is likely that those who are closer to the source will understand things better. But the view is an invention/discovery of humans (not something received from Sinai), and here I see no advantage for the sages of the Talmud over later sages.

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מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

By the way, listening is always beneficial for everyone, and certainly for the Talmudic sages. I was addressing the question of whether there is an obligation to accept or is there a substantial advantage to their words.

עמיאור replied 4 years ago

Are you willing to accept the essential authority of a prophet regarding the future? Why not say that the sages have essential authority in Jewish mysticism, “Kabbalah,” etc.? We can call it the Holy Spirit, and perhaps we can accept the same spiritual facts as the afterlife, etc.? I think you once wrote about mysticism and were willing to accept that those mystics have the ability to “see” that not everyone has.

מיכי Staff replied 4 years ago

I am willing to accept anything, as long as it is well-founded, reasonable, and reasoned. If there is someone who I have indications of having knowledge about the future and it also passes the tests, I will accept his words about the future. The burden of proof is on him.

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