The book “God Plays Dice”

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asked 8 years ago

peace. I am reading your book “God Plays Dice” and there are a number of points in it that are clearly unclear to me. The central point I reached on pages 50-52 is that you talk about the origin of mental processes and come to the conclusion that they could not have been created from matter. My main problem: You do not define what mental processes are nor do you prove their existence. You supposedly assume that they exist and in your opinion cannot be created from matter. Apologies for the layman’s question – I do not know of any such process and no proof of its existence. Can you help me? The second issue that is clearly unclear to me is a discussion of the formation of morality and again your claim that morality cannot develop in an evolutionary way. I cannot understand that either. The simplest explanation for the formation of morality is cooperation between different items of Homo sapiens. It is very easy to understand how “moral” traits that increase cooperation are the traits that improved the chances of survival and civilization of those who carry them and became much more widespread over time. I fail to understand any other source for the formation of morality. Best regards, Ron Fishman, CPA

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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago

Can you prove the existence of the world? Or the existence of the wall in front of you? You simply see it and that’s it. The same is true of mental processes. Each of us experiences them directly, and there is no reason in the world to try to prove their existence. Anyone who does not accept their existence will not receive any other proof and there is basically no point in talking to them. Regarding morality, basing it on evolutionary processes is a naturalistic fallacy. You can of course deny the existence of morality (just as you denied the existence of mental processes), but if you accept morality, it is impossible to base it on evolution. See this on the website in the fourth notebook, part three (under the ‘Miscellaneous’ tab).

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רון פישמן replied 8 years ago

No, you can't just say, "You just see and that's it." This is neither a proof nor a definition. I would like to start one step ahead, even if it is impossible to prove. Maybe we can define what morality is and what mental processes are?
By the way, there are many studies that show that in different animals there are "mental processes," as I understand the concept, at different levels of complexity, such as love, hate, curiosity, a sense of humor, etc., and this is consistent with the theory of evolution.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Maybe you think it's impossible, and I think it is. Anyone who doesn't understand what an emotion of pain, sadness, fear, pride, love, thinking, desire, and the like is, and needs a definition, will be honored and defined. And then don't forget to also define the concepts that he used in these definitions themselves, and God forbid. You can also say about vision that you can't say that I simply see and that's it. So define vision, please. Or are you also claiming that there is no such thing as vision.
By the way, you are asking me to define the concept of mental processes, and at the same time you talk about them without defining them, and even make all kinds of claims about them. Strange, isn't it?
If you want a definition of morality, I referred you to the fourth notebook in the third part.