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The evidence from the fine tuning design

שו”תCategory: generalThe evidence from the fine tuning design
asked 8 years ago

Hello Rabbi,
I wanted to ask why one would think that the complexity that exists in human creation would be more complex than in another world.
For example, in a world where the strong force is greater, then immediately after the bang all objects will be attracted to each other. And the entropy will be much smaller than a person, right? In the case where all matter is concentrated in one point and yet space is judged…


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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago

I don’t really understand the question, I’m just saying that life is a low-entropy reality compared to inanimate. That’s an objective measure of complexity.

Beyond that, it’s worth looking through the prism of apocalypse rather than as a physicist. It’s clear that life is more special than still life.


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דוד replied 8 years ago

I argue that if we look at complexity as an objective measure which is entropy.
Then it would be appropriate to assume that our world is not complex. Because in the event that the strong force is stronger then after the bang all the inanimate matter will gather into a single point.
Which entropy is much much lower than our entropy now. Isn't that right?

So maybe our world is quite uncomplex after all….

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

As I wrote, the complexity here is clear even without physical metrics. And even if a different strong force would produce lower entropy, so what? I didn't say that life is the lowest entropy there is. It's enough that it's unlikely to have arisen by chance.

קובי replied 8 years ago

But all values higher than now with a strong force will create something with a smaller entropy. (Like one giant star) Is there something special in life that is beyond ”just” entropy?
Because otherwise the argument is invalid:
“A similar argument can be made regarding the argument from the laws. Suppose we grill sets of rules completely randomly. Each set of rules will produce its own creatures. The system in our universe produces organisms, that is, animals, but any other set of rules would produce complex creatures of different types. They would look completely different from those familiar to us here, but they would be no less complex. Therefore, the claim that life is a particularly complex thing that leads to the conclusion that it has a creator is incorrect. If each set of rules creates its own complexities, then there is nothing special in our universe that requires an explanation, or an assumption that there is an engineer who created it. Theoretically, this could be the product of a completely random lottery (a lottery between law systems). I do not mean to say that there was a lottery of law systems (see the next chapter on this), but this is just an indication that such a law system does not distill enough flavor. ” Later on, the Rabbi shows that not all law systems would indeed produce life, and so this is the evidence again.
But my argument is that many more law systems would produce things much more unique than life, such as a giant star. (Regarding the entire space that has expanded)

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