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The evil of human nature and God

שו”תCategory: faithThe evil of human nature and God
asked 6 years ago

peace.
The Bible implies that God created us flawed – “The inclination of man’s heart is evil from his youth” (Genesis 8), “For there is no man who does not sin” (1 Kings 8:12-16), “No living person will be righteous before you” (Psalm 153), “For there is no righteous man on earth who does not do good and does not sin” (Ecclesiastes 7). Freud summarizes this in his work ‘Culture Without Discontent’: “Man is not a gentle creature in need of love, capable at most of defending himself when attacked. Among the impulses he is endowed with, he may also include a considerable degree of tendency to aggression. Therefore, for him, the other is not only a potential helper and a sexual object, but also a temptation to satisfy his aggression, to exploit his labor power without reward, to use him sexually without his consent, to take control of his property, to humiliate him, to cause him pain, to torture him and to kill him. Man is a wolf to man. In the face of all the trials of life and history, who would find the courage in his soul to deny this assertion?”

A. Why did God create his nature this way, so that he could have an excuse to harass him, abuse him, and destroy him time and time again – as we see throughout the Bible? To whom does he have to blame the works of his hands?
B. Why destroy and not repair?
C. Didn’t He really think through everything when He created the world?
D. You claim that it is not God who does evil – but man. If man is God’s creation and God created him this way, what are you actually claiming here?
God. Throughout the entire Bible we see God’s cruelty and capriciousness. Isn’t this proof enough for a believer? (What was enough for me, even a ‘small’ thing like the death of the fire that came at his command to sever all ties with him?).


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
God created us with two instincts and the ability to deal with them. The decision whether to do evil or not is ours. If we were created good (meaning only with a good instinct and no choice), there would be no point in our existence. We would be machines. It is impossible to create humans with free will and ensure that they will only do good. This is a cryptic statement.

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א. replied 6 years ago

Good. You see it as a choice, it seems more logical to me that it is nature. Unless God is not that wise and is not aware of the consequences of the dimensions of the suffering He created. If you have better evidence, I would love to know. Regarding the nature of God according to the Bible, I don't know if you have studied the entire Bible objectively - but if you have and you attach the pointed questions I asked about it, I find it hard to believe that you will remain religious. There you go on nonsense - destruction.

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

I can't understand the sentences you wrote. What is choice and what is nature? Are you a determinist? If so, we have an argument. If you are not a determinist then you agree that man has a choice, and in any case God cannot know in advance what he will do. The choice is his.

א. replied 6 years ago

Since there are consequences of dimensions of suffering from the choice of free choice, including the evil of human nature as it is and not to any other extent and so that the world is more ready and willing to encourage evil (after all, it is not just righteous and evil to him), it makes more sense to me that there is no creator who chose this way – but that it is a result of nature. That was my intention. I have no decision on determinism or free choice, because this is a subject on which there is a lot of knowledge and I lack it. But I am more inclined to determinism. According to your words, does God not know the future? Everything is unpredictable and permission is given? In conclusion, I can say that I cannot testify about myself as a seeker of truth, but I notice that my movement is after the truth – and I read and read and am not convinced by religion.

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