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The Kidnappers’ Deal

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asked 6 months ago

Hello Rabbi Michi,

I only recently saw the posts you wrote in which you expressed your position on the hostage deal, and I was saddened to realize that you oppose the hostage deals, even those that existed.
I have read the arguments, and since a tranquilizer or a psychologist will not remove the sadness (even if it is just an emotion), I would like to present to you a number of arguments in favor of the deal and an attempt to deal with some of your arguments.
1. The first point is that there is no reason to compare the 7/10 abductees to anyone who was kidnapped or taken prisoner in the past.
The kidnapped are in Hamas tunnels solely due to the state’s shameful failure (whether at the military or government levels) to fulfill its basic duty towards its citizens to maintain their personal security in general and in the surrounding communities in particular.
This failure is in fact a blatant violation of the most fundamental condition of the contract between it and its citizens, and therefore it is under an obligation, which can even be defined as sacred, to do everything in its power to fulfill this violated contract.
This could and should have been done only by making the first war goal that the government had to set was the return of the kidnapped.
2. You yourself state that there is no reasonable possibility of defining the goal of the war as the return of the hostages and at the same time establishing a parallel goal of destroying Hamas.
Since the return of the hostages is a moral and contractual obligation in the sense of correcting the criminal negligence (in my opinion, even bordering on crime) that brought upon us 7/10 in general and the kidnapping of the hostages in particular, then this goal must be dominant even if it harms or diminishes the goal of destroying Hamas.
3. The war is intended to destroy Hamas, but only as long as it also results in the return of the hostages, and to the extent that the goal of destruction harms or is likely to harm the hostages, the state must adapt the destruction operations so as not to undermine the return of the hostages.
4. In all of the above, I did not include the element of emotion, compassion, mutual responsibility, preventing suffering, and the duty towards the families whose suffering is indescribable, and to which we as human beings and as Jews are obligated.
5. Your argument that the considerations and discourse regarding the hostage deals reflect emotional psychosis and are devoid of logic, reason, and practical reasoning that should not affect the achievement of the state’s goal of destroying Hamas is factually incorrect in the case of this war, even if I agree with your basic premise that a worthy leadership must know how to sacrifice the individual for the sake of the state’s overarching goals.
In our case, under the leadership of the Prime Minister and his associates (and I remember the ratings you gave to this government at the time), this premise has no basis or relevance.
A. They are responsible for defining the clearly contradictory war goals, and this did not happen due to a lack of thought, quite the opposite.
B. The certain and immediate danger of the killing or other death of the hostages outweighs the future danger that may possibly occur due to the release of a large number of terrorists and the possible complete destruction of Hamas, especially when it is already militarily weakened.
During the Entebbe operation, several Torah scholars gathered and decided that the kidnappers’ demand should be accepted and the number of terrorists released from prison as demanded should be released in order to free the hostages.
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef ruled: “It seems from the law that we really should be more and more aware of the immediate danger of the hundred kidnapped Jews as the flame of the sword is waved over their heads by the cruel terrorists who hijacked the plane and threatened to execute them… while the future danger that may occur with the release of the forty imprisoned terrorists is not currently on the agenda immediately, but rather in the long term and after some time.”
This reasoning also applies to our case, both regarding the release of the imprisoned terrorists and regarding the withdrawal from Gaza.
The pretense of predicting with certainty the disaster that will occur due to the two concessions above has no basis or advantage over the opinion that we can handle the price and requires maximum caution when risking human life and suffering.
C. Furthermore, the issue of stopping the war was clarified by security officials as a solution, since we could at any time find an excuse to enter Gaza again, even if we had pledged not to do so.
The same is true for the released terrorists, for whom security forces will most likely be able to deal with the problem that may or may not occur, and we also don’t know when.
Netanyahu himself has just proven that even though he signed the three-phase agreement, when he decided that he would not fulfill the commitment to begin Phase B of the agreement, with all that this implies, he allowed himself to violate the agreement he signed and claim that he wants to extend Phase A.
He could act in this way even if he withdraws from the Strip and declares a cessation of the war, the hostages will be returned, and he will find a reason to violate the agreement and enter Gaza.
D. Do you trust the judgment of the government and its leader that the price of withdrawing from the Philadelphia axis and declaring the end of the war and releasing the imprisoned terrorists does not justify the release of the hostages?
After all, this is the government that just withdrew from the Netzarim axis for the hostages who were released in the first phase, when in May the Prime Minister firmly declared that withdrawing from the Netzarim axis was a national security disaster and therefore torpedoed a deal and led to the deaths of at least 6 hostages and several other soldiers.
After all, this is the government and its leader who signed the three-phase deal that is identical to the agreement proposed in May and even agreed to withdraw from the Philadelphia axis, but upon completion of phase one, he regretted it and does not want to leave this axis.
the. Can you safely accept and trust Netanyahu’s judgment that there should be a return to fighting with all that this implies, when he has not presented any plan for “the day after” to date, and when such a decision will certainly result in the killing of at least some of the hostages and may even end for some of them as the end of the Ron Arad case and the extension of their detention with every passing hour?
F. Can you state firmly, as you wrote, that there is no room for a deal even if the kidnapped are killed, when I am sure that doubts also nestle within you? Are there not political and personal considerations and a strong desire to maintain the integrity of the government involved in the Prime Minister’s conduct throughout the days of fighting?
If you have the means, and given Netanyahu’s many decisions during the war that speak for themselves and common sense cannot deny this, then there is no doubt that on balance, sacrificing human life is absolutely forbidden.
6. I dare to question your determination that you are not willing to be a part of a discourse in which space is given, perhaps even too much, to feelings of mercy, compassion, concern for others, etc., elements that, in your opinion, have no place in the psychologist’s room, and I allow myself to add that the above elements are what together create the mutual guarantee that is already right within the intellectual, rational, and very logical realm.
I have other arguments in my arsenal, including actual opposition to your distinction between right and left, between secular and religious, regarding the components that underlie the decisions or ideology of the two groups, and even support for the opposite distinction, but the platform is short.
In conclusion, I stand in astonishment and really do not understand how you, Rabbi Michi, and all the rabbis who joined in opposing the deal, do not give weight, even to a limited number of grams, to the benefit of the doubt in the justice of your opposition, when we are in the heart of the law of souls.
Isn’t it appropriate to be a little modest and not presumptuous in decisively cutting off the fate of our brothers and sisters, the fate of intact families, and ending ongoing suffering every hour we don’t work to bring them back?
Do you really have all the information about all its components to know what will happen in the future and on the basis of what you know to cast your fate with such certainty as to vote for Ben Gvir?

As far as I am concerned, the abandonment of the kidnapped will be a global disgrace to each of us as individuals and as a country, and will severely damage our resilience as a people and as a country.

I hope we will pass the tests ahead of us with the help of common sense and reason, and as human beings and as Jews, with the right amount of emotion.


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מיכי Staff answered 6 months ago
peace. Thank you for the detailed letter. I will try to address it in order. Let me start by saying that I of course really want all the kidnapped people to return. Who doesn’t?! I also agree that this was a shocking failure and a terrible mistake on our part (all of society, not just the army or the government. Including the kidnapped people themselves in general). And finally, I strongly oppose the emotional discourse that is taking place on this issue, as emotionalism leads to superficiality and the wrong course of action. In this matter, because of the charges, emotion is more harmful than usual. I will now try to address the arguments. 1. I agree with most of the assumptions, but not with the conclusion. It is certainly correct to compare the hostages with other cases. There was indeed negligence and a blunder here, but such blunders led to many casualties from terrorism and wars. Others will tell you that the disengagement was a blunder that brought everything upon us (in my opinion, this is not entirely true, but it only demonstrates to you the significance of claims like yours). The blunder in our case was made by the government and the army. On the other hand, the price we will pay for such a deal is on all of us and for very long periods. Therefore, comparisons to those who made a blunder who must pay the price for it are wrong. Although, as I wrote, there was also a blunder by the entire society, but that includes the hostages themselves. We all failed, and to this day we fail, in our incorrect attitude towards threats from the Palestinians (including striving for a deal at all costs. Surrendering to terrorism is a continuation of that blunder). Therefore, I disagree with the conclusion that returning the hostages should have been the first task. Absolutely not. A country does not set itself central goals to return 100 people. This is unnecessary sentimentality that leads to wrong conclusions. The country has its own global goals, and although it sounds cruel, a country cannot behave otherwise. We also send soldiers to die, and sometimes it is for the interests of territory and the economy and not for saving lives (this is the Gemara about “spread your hands in the battalion. War of authority”). Protecting our territory and our ability to live here takes far precedence over returning the kidnapped, because these are global interests that affect our very existence. For example, we don’t direct all of our budget to the health system, but also give to education and culture and more. Even though human life is above all else. There are considerations of a state that are different from the considerations of an individual. It’s the same here. 2. I answered that. Just note that the same argument is made against the supporters of the deal, who explain to us that we will make a deal and return the kidnapped and then destroy Hamas. This is throwing sand in our eyes. Both sides lie to us by saying that both goals can be achieved. It can’t. By the way, in my opinion, the return of all the kidnapped cannot be achieved even if we leave this goal alone. Hamas will not give up all its cards. 3. Same as above. 4. In my opinion, yes, you were involved. Putting the hostages in charge of the missions is the result of emotion, as logic completely rules it out. 5. A. Same as above. on. I have written more than once that the future danger from releasing terrorists is not a consideration in my opinion. If that were the problem, I would be in favor of releasing all the terrorists in exchange for the hostages. A certain current danger outweighs a future doubt. You don’t need Rabbi Ovadia for that. It’s completely clear to me. The claim that Hamas is weakened is a continuation of the same error I described. The fear is not that it will occupy the State of Israel, and there has never been such a fear. Therefore, its weakness is irrelevant. It is a terrorist organization, not an army. In my opinion, nothing has changed in terms of the danger from Hamas as a result of this war. third. I don’t buy this argument. Hamas is not an idiot and it won’t give up without serious guarantees. Hamas also saw what Netanyahu has done now (by the way, Netanyahu acted here exactly as you recommended. He signed an agreement to receive as many hostages as possible, and then violated it. And here, right later here you criticize him for it). D. I don’t trust anyone, unfortunately. Not from the government, not from those who oppose it, not from the security forces. I’ve lost trust in everyone. the. I don’t see a plan for the day after, in anyone. Therefore, the only possible plan right now is to continue slaughtering them and not stop for decades. We have had enough of multinational forces and the Palestinian Authority (which was already in Gaza). I don’t buy this argument. and. Unfortunately, political considerations are involved on all sides, it’s part of the game. And I don’t trust anyone. I form my position not because I trust or don’t trust anyone, but because I think it’s what’s right. By the way, the desire to maintain the integrity of the government is not an argument for criticism. It is a completely legitimate consideration, after all, the integrity of the government is threatened because of the disagreement on the merits regarding the hostages and the war. Why is it that a government making decisions by consensus among its components is criticism? Isn’t that the point of the coalition? And why haven’t all governments to date exempted the Haredim from conscription and core studies in order to maintain the integrity of their coalition? If Bibi did what he himself wanted without consideration, he would be criticized for being a dictator who doesn’t act according to procedures. It’s all positions. 6. Unfortunately, I’m human too. No one is perfect. But it’s right not to involve emotion in such decisions. I draw your attention to the fact that, for you, all the arguments lead in the same direction. Isn’t that strange? I certainly think that the decision is complex and there are sides here and there (for example, the danger from releasing the terrorists really isn’t a consideration in my opinion either, even though I oppose the deal. For example, I do strongly criticize Bibi and the government, and yet here I support them), but in my opinion the relative weight of the considerations leads to opposition to the deal, and Bibi and his coalition are pure black without exception. It seems that everything leads you in the same direction. In my opinion, this is a measure of emotionality. Although a person doesn’t always feel what’s happening to him (and this is of course also true of me). This brings me to your conclusion. I don’t give an ounce of weight? Of course I do. On the contrary, I give a lot of weight, but there are also counter-considerations. On the other hand, in arguments that all lead in the same direction, there is not an ounce of weight for the opposing side. I level such criticism of one-sidedness and dogmatism precisely at those who support the deal. As for modesty, I’m not sure I have that virtue. But why am I accused of immodesty and you’re not? Why are you allowed to hold your position firmly without giving an ounce of weight to the other side, and that’s incredibly modest, but I, who admit that there are considerations here and there but formulate a position against the deal, am the one who is firm and not modest. Isn’t such a reversal of sides a product of emotionality?

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אלמוני replied 6 months ago

Hello Rabbi,
Thank you for the quick and detailed response.
We will probably remain in disagreement on this issue.
As for your words regarding my lack of modesty and determination in light of the criticism of the lack of modesty and determination of the camp opposing the deal, I accept and agree with your words and immediately add even one whole kilogram to the opinion of the other side and understand your reasoning intellectually and respect them but oppose them.
I may be guilty of emotionalism, but in my opinion my position on the issue is in reasonable balance with the arguments of reason and logic, and from my perspective justifies a fight for the return of the kidnapped.
Hoping for good news.

מיכי Staff replied 6 months ago

I think I couldn't have expected a better outcome from the discussion. If we remain in dispute when everyone understands that there are considerations for the other side, that in itself is a very deep repair of the current rift. In my opinion, this rift is much deeper than the content of the disputes themselves. Both sides are entrenched in their own bubble, and are sure that the other side is evil or an idiot.
I wondered if my claim about the emotionality of the supporters of the deal also indicates such a failure. I really don't think so, because I agree that there are weighty considerations in favor of the deal. The claim about emotionality does not stem from the fact that I think your arguments are all unfounded, but from the fact that they all lead in the same direction. I definitely think there are arguments in favor of the deal. By the way, Phase A already surprised me. We won the war by a landslide and insisted on not ending the war. It turns out, to my delight, that we also know how to violate agreements. If they go back to fighting and insist on continuing, I will admit that I was wrong to oppose the deal. Carrying out Phase A and returning to war was worth it.

נקודה נוספת replied 6 months ago

In the context of your claim that the consideration of returning the terrorists is a future threat compared to the threat to the hostages that is immediate.
In my opinion, you did not address a much more important point here: the consciousness of how the enemy captures a country that is willing to pay ‘any price’, or an excessive price for its hostages. In my opinion, everyone who does not like us sees this and understands that the most profitable thing is to kidnap, because if you kidnap, you are at the top point, it does not matter how weak you are.
And if in the past we had taken a decisive and very painful position for us, of not releasing at an excessive price, the enemy would have had much less motivation to kidnap and today we might have had fewer hostages or alternatively they would have been released at a lower price.

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